pstewart
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Re: Wholesale rural?
said by GNca George  :said by Martian3 :Bell's portable and rural internet are both WiMAX-based services. Portable just has an indoor WiMAX modem, while rural uses an outdoor directional antenna for those with a weaker signal. WiMAX is being developed jointly by Rogers and Bell through Inukshuk. I know Xplornet is another WiMAX provider, but I don't know much about their service. Their reviews here on DSLR don't look good. Innukshuk/Bell/Rogers isn't real WiMax, it was deployed before WiMax became a standard. WiMax-like is a better description. Xplornet is Motorola Canopy wireless, non-WiMax. Most of their service in these parts is delivered on 900 Mhz and I haven't met a really happy Xplornet customer in a long time. I get at least a couple calls a week from unhappy Xplorenet users looking for better service. Some areas are better than others of course... George Agreed on the not so happy Xplornet comments  Xplornet does have some WiMax deployments in our area and down through Kingston too. It's not widespread with them I don't think but they are using it in certain areas....
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twizlar
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Brantford, ON | reply to Munky1337
Xplornet is utter crap. They oversubscribe their AP and backhauls so much you can barely get dial-up speeds most of the time.
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sbrook
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H0H 0H0 | reply to Munky1337
Too right it's a different technology. similarly comparable is X10, which doesn't work particularly well across the other phase of the power in your house without special adaptors.
BPL will get flummoxed at every transformer. |
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jfmezei
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| >BPL will get flummoxed at every transformer.
Same thing for cable. It got flomuxed at ever repeater because repeaters were unidirectiuonal. The cable companies had to upgrade repeaters in a neighbourhood to be bidirectional before it could offer true cable.
There was a period where Videotron offered split system with dial-up for upstream and cable for downstream in neighbouhoods that did not have upgraded hardware. |
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pstewart
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said by sbrook :Too right it's a different technology. similarly comparable is X10, which doesn't work particularly well across the other phase of the power in your house without special adaptors. BPL will get flummoxed at every transformer. Yes, correct - and that was another reason that it failed from a cost perspective. Having electricians etc. wire in around each transformer is very costly
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jfmezei
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| Actually, Hydro Québec has it own fairly extentive telecom network. And Ontario Hydro also has one (although it may have sold its urban one in Toronto, it still would have a large one across the province).
Hydro Québec had, in the 1980s, one of the largest private DECnet network in the world. (I assume that by now, it has pretty much migrated to IP based).
There are a lot of monitoring devices across its network, which is one reason that when you have a power failure, they are often already aware of it. Those require a data network to feed the telemetry back to HQ.
They have their grid in a huge Oracle database and when they type in your address, they can follow the power from your home to the main distribution centres in your region.
This is not too different from natural gas distributors. If you're going to dig up a street to install gas mains, you might as well add a few conduits that you can string fibre through. |
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sbrook
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Correct, they do run their networks independent from the power lines. I did some work for electricity boards in the UK many years ago, and telemetry was extensive ... and they were experimenting with "over power lines" but it was, comapratively speaking, unreliable.
The new "smart meter" system is intended to rely on signaling over power lines. It's going to be interesting to see what bugs occur when it's fully deployed. I'm waiting for the horror stories. |
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mlerner
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| said by sbrook :The new "smart meter" system is intended to rely on signaling over power lines. It's going to be interesting to see what bugs occur when it's fully deployed. I'm waiting for the horror stories. Isn't it easier and less expensive to use smart meters that use cell data? |
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sbrook
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H0H 0H0 | That's assuming they can get cell signals to/from all homes. |
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mlerner
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| said by sbrook :That's assuming they can get cell signals to/from all homes. Well the current smart meter system uses the telephone wiring in the house and cell data as backup. |
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sbrook
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H0H 0H0 | Interesting ... the smart meter they installed here definitely doesn't. There's no provision for external connection anyway. |
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GNca George
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| Water smart metering up here runs on 900 MHz, and we have ongoing projects to fix the disaster that was initially installed.
Its nice to be needed. 
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mlerner
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said by sbrook :Interesting ... the smart meter they installed here definitely doesn't. There's no provision for external connection anyway. Yes I believe in Ottawa it's an older style everywhere but most other cities have a wired setup. |
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Angelo_
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join:2002-06-18 | i'm in toronto.. and we dont have this at my home..... but my home is also old |
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mlerner
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| said by Angelo_ :i'm in toronto.. and we dont have this at my home..... but my home is also old You don't have a smart meter? |
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Angelo_
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| said by mlerner :said by Angelo_ :i'm in toronto.. and we dont have this at my home..... but my home is also old You don't have a smart meter? nop, we have a person going to the meter every few months for the whole area... |
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mlerner
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| said by Angelo_ :said by mlerner :said by Angelo_ :i'm in toronto.. and we dont have this at my home..... but my home is also old You don't have a smart meter? nop, we have a person going to the meter every few months for the whole area... The hydro company probably hasn't completed deployments yet. Ottawa just finished most of it and they're all slowly rolling them out. |
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Angelo_
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join:2002-06-18 | i have no idea, i hope they just forget :P |
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mlerner
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| said by Angelo_ :i have no idea, i hope they just forget :P Forget the chance to charge you $50 more? Nah hydro companies are one of the greediest. |
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sbrook
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H0H 0H0 | reply to mlerner
My understanding was Ottawa was using digital onto the power line. |
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