Wholesale rural? in TekSavvy

Wholesale rural? in TekSavvy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22644131 en Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:50:04 EDT Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:50:04 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653259 LazMan :

said by mlerner

said by Angelo_

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i'm in toronto.. and we dont have this at my home..... but my home is also old

You don't have a smart meter?

I've got a smart meter; however, they (HydroOne Networks, just outside of Barrie ON) are still reading them manually - the meter was installed about a year ago, for "future upgrades"

Laz]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653259 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:10:53 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651354 mlerner : Possible I don't know about Ottawa specifically.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651354 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:14:23 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651308 sbrook : My understanding was Ottawa was using digital onto the power line.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651308 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:03:47 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651092 mlerner :

said by Angelo_

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i have no idea, i hope they just forget :P

Forget the chance to charge you $50 more? Nah hydro companies are one of the greediest.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651092 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:15:29 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651074 Angelo_ : i have no idea, i hope they just forget :P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651074 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:10:36 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651044 mlerner :

said by Angelo_

said by mlerner

said by Angelo_

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i'm in toronto.. and we dont have this at my home..... but my home is also old

You don't have a smart meter?

nop, we have a person going to the meter every few months for the whole area...

The hydro company probably hasn't completed deployments yet. Ottawa just finished most of it and they're all slowly rolling them out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651044 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:04:59 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651039 Angelo_ :

said by mlerner

said by Angelo_

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i'm in toronto.. and we dont have this at my home..... but my home is also old

You don't have a smart meter?

nop, we have a person going to the meter every few months for the whole area...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651039 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:03:32 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651034 mlerner :

said by Angelo_

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i'm in toronto.. and we dont have this at my home..... but my home is also old

You don't have a smart meter?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651034 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:02:40 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651018 Angelo_ : i'm in toronto.. and we dont have this at my home..... but my home is also old]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651018 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:00:09 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650993 mlerner :

said by sbrook

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Interesting ... the smart meter they installed here definitely doesn't. There's no provision for external connection anyway.

Yes I believe in Ottawa it's an older style everywhere but most other cities have a wired setup.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650993 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:55:30 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650777 GNca George : Water smart metering up here runs on 900 MHz, and we have ongoing projects to fix the disaster that was initially installed.

Its nice to be needed. :)
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said by sbrook

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That's assuming they can get cell signals to/from all homes.

Well the current smart meter system uses the telephone wiring in the house and cell data as backup.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649491 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:08:21 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649485 sbrook : That's assuming they can get cell signals to/from all homes. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649485 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:06:46 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649406 mlerner :

said by sbrook

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The new "smart meter" system is intended to rely on signaling over power lines. It's going to be interesting to see what bugs occur when it's fully deployed. I'm waiting for the horror stories.

Isn't it easier and less expensive to use smart meters that use cell data?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649406 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:50:56 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649381 sbrook : Correct, they do run their networks independent from the power lines. I did some work for electricity boards in the UK many years ago, and telemetry was extensive ... and they were experimenting with "over power lines" but it was, comapratively speaking, unreliable.

The new "smart meter" system is intended to rely on signaling over power lines. It's going to be interesting to see what bugs occur when it's fully deployed. I'm waiting for the horror stories.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649381 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:44:53 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647659 jfmezei : Actually, Hydro Québec has it own fairly extentive telecom network. And Ontario Hydro also has one (although it may have sold its urban one in Toronto, it still would have a large one across the province).

Hydro Québec had, in the 1980s, one of the largest private DECnet network in the world. (I assume that by now, it has pretty much migrated to IP based).

There are a lot of monitoring devices across its network, which is one reason that when you have a power failure, they are often already aware of it. Those require a data network to feed the telemetry back to HQ.

They have their grid in a huge Oracle database and when they type in your address, they can follow the power from your home to the main distribution centres in your region.

This is not too different from natural gas distributors. If you're going to dig up a street to install gas mains, you might as well add a few conduits that you can string fibre through.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647659 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:19:42 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647595 pstewart :

said by sbrook

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Too right it's a different technology. similarly comparable is X10, which doesn't work particularly well across the other phase of the power in your house without special adaptors.

BPL will get flummoxed at every transformer.

Yes, correct - and that was another reason that it failed from a cost perspective. Having electricians etc. wire in around each transformer is very costly ;)
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Same thing for cable. It got flomuxed at ever repeater because repeaters were unidirectiuonal. The cable companies had to upgrade repeaters in a neighbourhood to be bidirectional before it could offer true cable.

There was a period where Videotron offered split system with dial-up for upstream and cable for downstream in neighbouhoods that did not have upgraded hardware.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647184 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:30:58 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647080 sbrook : Too right it's a different technology. similarly comparable is X10, which doesn't work particularly well across the other phase of the power in your house without special adaptors.

BPL will get flummoxed at every transformer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647080 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:06:18 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646726 twizlar : Xplornet is utter crap. They oversubscribe their AP and backhauls so much you can barely get dial-up speeds most of the time.
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said by GNca George

said by Martian3

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Bell's portable and rural internet are both WiMAX-based services. Portable just has an indoor WiMAX modem, while rural uses an outdoor directional antenna for those with a weaker signal.

WiMAX is being developed jointly by Rogers and Bell through Inukshuk. I know Xplornet is another WiMAX provider, but I don't know much about their service. Their reviews here on DSLR don't look good.

Agreed on the not so happy Xplornet comments ;) Xplornet does have some WiMax deployments in our area and down through Kingston too. It's not widespread with them I don't think but they are using it in certain areas....
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said by sbrook

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BPL (Broadband over PowerLines) is a technological nonsense. If there was any chance of it working, we'd have had radio and television over power lines long ago!

It actually worked pretty good - there is still some small deployments active around Ontario. It was plagued with various challenges though and rather complex/expensive to deploy (depending on where etc).

The residential version in your house (to avoid running cat5 or using wireless) works really good - I have it throughout my house, rock solid. But that's a different type of gear all together..;)
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I was thinking maybe that a different technology such as broadband over power would give me better access to the dslam and perhaps give me better throughput.

adsl2, rdslam i guess is pretty much my only other possibility.

Also I'm not in rural. I'm in the middle of the friggen city. I'm hooked up at the demarc... my central office-dslam is just really far.

Just goes to show how poorly bell has really developed the area.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646303 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:15:02 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645913 Guspaz : Yeah, and so is 56k. 1.5mbit is still about 25x faster than dialup, not to mention the lower latencies.

It still sucks speed-wise, but it may still be a better alternative.

If he were rich, he could also always bond four of them to get a 6meg connection :P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645913 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:58:40 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645895 mlerner :

said by Guspaz

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I was referring to the 1.5mbit DSL he was promised. Which at $30 isn't the worst deal in the world, and is still a big improvement over dialup.

That's still pretty bad.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645895 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:54:56 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645883 Guspaz : I was referring to the 1.5mbit DSL he was promised. Which at $30 isn't the worst deal in the world, and is still a big improvement over dialup.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645883 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:53:12 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645846 JimmyArms :

said by kewlkeed

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BPL never really got off the ground. Won't be seeing any sign of it around Canada. (As far as I know there were zero deployments of it in Canada)

They had it in Sault Ste. Marie for a few years but it died out.
It was supposed to be as fast as 5MB but I never saw it over 3MB. It was cheaper and faster to go with cable or dsl.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645846 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:46:37 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645819 mlerner : Keeping in mind, it's pre-WiMax and the 1.5 is not guaranteed at all. The price makes it worthless.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645819 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:41:09 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645785 Guspaz : If you're on dialup, 1.5mbit is still a huge improvement...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645785 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:32:53 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645713 munky99999 : Access the Internet anywhere there's a power outlet in 178 cities across Canada.

Power outlet?

I think imma just call up and ask.

I called and asked. Ya it's Wimax.

Crap Crap Double Crap.

Well that pretty much ends this thread :(

I guess I'll have to whine until they roll out adsl2.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645713 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:15:02 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645709 Guspaz : Not exactly surprising, does anybody remember how wonderfully effective 900MHz phones were? And those were billed as a big improvement when compared to the ones that came before them :P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645709 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:14:30 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645664 GNca George :

said by Martian3

Innukshuk/Bell/Rogers isn't real WiMax, it was deployed before WiMax became a standard. WiMax-like is a better description.

Xplornet is Motorola Canopy wireless, non-WiMax. Most of their service in these parts is delivered on 900 Mhz and I haven't met a really happy Xplornet customer in a long time. I get at least a couple calls a week from unhappy Xplorenet users looking for better service. Some areas are better than others of course...

George
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WiMAX is being developed jointly by Rogers and Bell through Inukshuk. I know Xplornet is another WiMAX provider, but I don't know much about their service. Their reviews here on DSLR don't look good.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22644635 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:47:47 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22644448 kewlkeed : Yeah no that's not BPL. I can gar ron tee Bell has never messed with BPL. They're talking about their 3G/Cell/Wimax/HSPAwhatever stuff. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22644448 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:12:17 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22644441 LazMan :

said by munky1337 :

On the contrary. I do believe bell offers it now and in a extreme large number of areas.

»www.bell.ca/shopping/internet.po···t_Access

Then click on "Check out the cities where Bell Internet Portable and Rural services are available"

I believe this is 3G/Cellular/WiMax based, rather then BPL...

BPL has issues with transformers, noise, and RF interference - it was pretty much a niche product, and a non-starter for most commercial deployments.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22644441 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:11:18 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22644424 anon : On the contrary. I do believe bell offers it now and in a extreme large number of areas.

»www.bell.ca/shopping/internet.po···t_Access

Then click on "Check out the cities where Bell Internet Portable and Rural services are available"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22644424 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:09:09 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22644309 kewlkeed : BPL never really got off the ground. Won't be seeing any sign of it around Canada. (As far as I know there were zero deployments of it in Canada)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22644309 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:47:13 EDT Re: Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22644243 Guspaz : TekSavvy does not offer broadband over power lines. To my knowledge, that technology died before it ever saw any widespread deployments anyhow.

TekSavvy offers DSL service, and in limited areas in rural Ontario, fibre to the home.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22644243 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:32:33 EDT Wholesale rural? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22644131 anon : Can you guys sell the rural Broadband over powerlines?

Also if say your DSL over pots is terrible 1.5mbit... what's the chance of having a better profile
with the whole broadband over powerlines?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22644131 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:14:26 EDT