 ztmikeMark for moderationPremium
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2 edits | Wish someone would sue Comcast - no meter yet I wish someone would sue Comcast already for not giving its customers a bandwidth meter..yet they have a cap at 250gigs.
I can't monitor my usage because my router is the WRT54G V5..which is not capable of handling Tomato or WRT firmware that has the bandwidth meter.
I can't afford a new router, just so I can monitor my usage that Comcast SHOULD be providing for if their going to have a damn cap.
I'm I wrong here? I'm I the only one seeing this as bullshit? I mean honestly..come on.
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3 edits | Re: Wish someone would sue Comcast - no meter yet It's pathetic.
Someone here said they were contacting their Attorney General. Perhaps others have contacted their respective state/federal representatives.
»www.house.gov/ has a lot of helpful info....
For a company that has exclusive franchise agreements in areas, it seems downright illegal that Comcast provides a capped service without a certified and reliable meter subject to state/federal regulatory standards, and has done so for nearly a year.
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1 edit | Re: Wish someone would sue Comcast - no meter yet said by IPPlanMan:For a company that has exclusive franchise agreements in areas, it seems downright illegal that Comcast provides a capped service without a certified and reliable meter subject to state/federal regulatory standards, and has done so for nearly a year. Can you please explain how Comcast's HSI is subject to state/federal regulatory standards regarding proving usage monitoring? | |
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2 edits | Re: Wish someone would sue Comcast - no meter yet Article 1 section 8 clause 3 of the US Constitution for starters- also known as the Commerce Clause.
Not to mention that Comcast falls under the purview of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) for numerous other reasons.
There are also plenty of regulatory measures that apply to other state and federal government sanctioned services for consumer protection purposes and there is no reason for Comcast's internet service to be exempt.
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Pottsville, PA | Re: Wish someone would sue Comcast - no meter yet said by sturmvogel:I believe we have enough lobbyists. That is why the monopolies exist. What monopolies?
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Pottsville, PA | Re: Wish someone would sue Comcast - no meter yet I don't think the word means what you think it means. | |
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1 edit | More on monopolies said by koshoka:I don't think the word means what you think it means. I don't know the exact conditions where sturm is at, but there is a chance that Comcast has a "monopoly" as far as wired high speed residential internet goes. That doesn't mean one couldn't use another provider. Nobody is forced to use Comcast, ever.
Sturm, can you elaborate on why no explanation was given as to why you can't subscribe to business class? Did you call them and ask, and they said no, and you said why, and they hung up? Just curious. | |
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2 edits | Re: More on monopolies said by C_Chipperson:I don't know the exact conditions where sturm is at, but there is a chance that Comcast has a "monopoly" as far as wired high speed residential internet goes. Should "wired high speed" be defined ?
Is it a bit of a gray area ? | |
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1 edit | Re: More on monopolies said by EG:said by C_Chipperson:I don't know the exact conditions where sturm is at, but there is a chance that Comcast has a "monopoly" as far as wired high speed residential internet goes. Should "wired high speed" be defined ? Is it a bit of a gray area ? Sure, wired high speed internet = cable (comcast, road runner, etc.) or dsl | |
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1 edit | Re: More on monopolies said by C_Chipperson:Sure, wired high speed internet = cable (comcast, road runner, etc.) or dsl O/k. Fair enough. So it is considered, and/or you personally consider that DSL is "high speed" in the exact same class as is cable broadband ? | |
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1 edit | Re: More on monopolies I wouldn't say they're the exact same class but close enough. I wouldn't consider cable broadband in the same class as dial up. | |
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1 edit | Re: More on monopolies said by C_Chipperson:I wouldn't say they're the exact same class but close enough. "Close enough" ? Dude.... Your opinion ?
Can DSL do 22/5, 50/10 ? | |
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1 edit | Re: More on monopolies Ok, they are in the same class. DSL here can do 20/896. | |
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1 edit | Re: More on monopolies 20 ? Where ? Not even right next door to the C.O. or connected to an R.T.
Does 20/896 compare to 50/10 ? | |
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2 edits | Re: More on monopolies said by EG:20 ? Where ? Not even right next door to the C.O. or connected to an R.T. Does 20/896 compare to 50/10 ? Where? I don't know the exact location but qwest sells it.
Do the 2 compare to each other? yes. | |
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2 edits | Re: More on monopolies Pulesssse...
Do your homework bud !  | |
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2 edits | Re: More on monopolies said by EG:Pulesssse... Do your homework bud ! Duuuude.... Way to distract from my original question
your options for wired residential internet are fiber, cable, dsl, dial up. From what I gather so far, sturm can get either cable (Comcast ONLY) or dial up. I may be wrong, theres 88 pages of this bs | |
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1 edit | Re: More on monopolies said by C_Chipperson: Duuuude.... Way to distract from my original question I never try to "distract" from anything pal..
Just trying to keep things factual and honest... | |
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1 edit | Re: More on monopolies said by EG:said by C_Chipperson: Duuuude.... Way to distract from my original question I never try to "distract" from anything pal.. Just trying to keep things factual and honest... Me too, I was also giving sturm the benefit of the doubt about the "monopoly" but that effort is now wasted... | |
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1 edit | Re: More on monopolies Nevermind. Take me back. On second thought, I do not wish to post. | |
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2 edits | said by C_Chipperson:said by EG:said by C_Chipperson: Duuuude.... Way to distract from my original question I never try to "distract" from anything pal.. Just trying to keep things factual and honest... Me too, I was also giving sturm the benefit of the doubt about the "monopoly" but that effort is now wasted... I do not need your benefit of the doubt. Read up the previous pages. This is a common story, I am sure everybody complaining must be wrong, indeed.
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2 edits | Is Comcast a monopoly? said by sturmvogel:I do not need your benefit of the doubt. Read up the previous pages. This is a common story, I am sure everybody complaining must be wrong, indeed. Fair enough, then there is no monopoly
I 100% agree that comcast should deliver on their promise to provide a meter. They say 250GB, the should provide a means to track it.
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2 edits | Re: Is Comcast a monopoly? said by C_Chipperson:said by sturmvogel:I do not need your benefit of the doubt. Read up the previous pages. This is a common story, I am sure everybody complaining must be wrong, indeed. Fair enough, then there is no monopoly I 100% agree that comcast should deliver on their promise to provide a meter. They say 250GB, the should provide a means to track it. Comcast Internet is not a utility. That is why it should be reclassified as one and regulated as such. I did mention the word legislation, I am sure.
If you do not consider it a monopoly, that is your opinion. From where I live, looks like one. I tend to believe what I see on the ground rather than someone else's opinion that is not confronted with what I have to deal with.
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3 edits | Re: Is Comcast a monopoly? It is not a monopoly. You say satellite signal is spotty poor? Unless you live on the north side of a cliff, that is basically impossible. | |
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4 edits | Re: Is Comcast a monopoly? said by C_Chipperson:It is not a monopoly. You say satellite signal is spotty? Unless you live on the north side of a cliff, that is basically impossible. I have trees that I would rather not cut. Here in the south there are frequent storms that mangle the signal and there are pretty black clouds. Elevation is maybe 30 ft from sea level. I am sure in Colorado at over 3000 ft elevation with clear skies things may look different. Also, satellite has "creative" AUP's in order to "enhance" the customer "experience". I did classify in one group dial up, IP over avian carriers and satellite and I do not consider it an alternative, so there is no point to discuss it.
I say it is a monopoly, you say it is not. There are large groups on both sides of the argument. Neither one is going to convince the other regardless of how much hair splitting is done.
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4 edits | Re: Is Comcast a monopoly? we have "pretty black clouds" too with torrential downpours frequently and we're over 6000 ft elevation actually. and I've used satellite internet at both sea level in northern alaska and at 11,000 feet, I'll admit it has high latency. but you can't say comcast has a monopoly. You can't get a T1 line?
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2 edits | Re: Is Comcast a monopoly? said by C_Chipperson:over 6000 ft elevation actually. and I've used satellite internet at both sea level and at 11,000 feet, I'll admit it has high latency. but you can't say comcast has a monopoly. You can't get a T1 line? I had good satellite connectivity at sea level on a Kirov class vessel, but I cannot have something like that in my backyard.
I have a neighbor that has a T1, but the reliability is not that great, so I did not get one.
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4 edits | said by C_Chipperson:we have "pretty black clouds" too with torrential downpours frequently and we're over 6000 ft elevation actually. and I've used satellite internet at both sea level in northern alaska and at 11,000 feet, I'll admit it has high latency. but you can't say comcast has a monopoly. You can't get a T1 line? Define monopoly The only available cable internet provider cut me off for one year. No DSL, etc, as described. There is another cable company 2 miles away that I contacted that would like to do an overbuild but cannot do it due to CC's franchise (their exact words).
»www.answers.com/topic/monopoly-1
"Exclusive control by one group of the means of producing or selling a commodity or service: "
The equipment that would give good satellite Internet access would be too impressive for the homeowners' association and disguising a large dish as a lake is not something that is within my means.
»www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/10···ion.html
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2 edits | Re: Is Comcast a monopoly? said by sturmvogel:...company 2 miles away that I contacted that would like to do an overbuild but cannot do it due to CC's franchise (their exact words). More BS! Franchise agreements are about how much $ the cable co is paying the local gov. They are by Federal law NONEXCLUSIVE.
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2 edits | Re: Is Comcast a monopoly? It is not BS but a fact on the ground, as much as every person that I have ever talked to here absolutely hating the cable co and having the same complaints. Maybe you should talk to some of your customers.
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Pottsville, PA | Re: Is Comcast a monopoly? said by sturmvogel:It is not BS but a fact on the ground, as much as every person that I have ever talked to here absolutely hating the cable co and having the same complaints. Maybe you should talk to some of your customers. Franchise agreements are by law nonexclusive. Somebody in your story is a liar.
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Boynton Beach, FL | Re: Is Comcast a monopoly? FWIW, wasn't Texas the first state in 2005 to enact statewide franchise agreements? | |
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1 edit | said by C_Chipperson:your options for wired residential internet are fiber, cable, dsl, dial up. From what I gather so far, sturm can get either cable (Comcast ONLY) or dial up. .. Regardless of the medium, an ISP is an ISP. Just because Strum does not like his other options does not mean they don't exist. There is no monopoly.
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1 edit | Re: Wish someone would sue Comcast - no meter yet said by EG:said by C_Chipperson:Sure, wired high speed internet = cable (comcast, road runner, etc.) or dsl O/k. Fair enough. So it is considered, and/or you personally consider that DSL is "high speed" in the exact same class as is cable broadband ? Let's not go into semantics "high speed", "full speed" and all those hair splitting to muddy the issue.
dial up, IP over avian carriers, satellite = crap
DSL, unmolested cable 8 Mbit or better = broadband
capped, throttled cable, no matter what "up to" speed = your choice what you want to call it
fiber, not capped = what the Internet access should be
I have a 6 or 8 Mbit connection via cable with a 250 GB/mo cap, which translates to less than 1 Mbit/sec without the possibility of being harassed, so this is what I consider I have, a 1 Mbit connection that "could" spike to 999999Tbit/sec, whatever. This is worse than the 3 Mbit DSL I had 10 years ago and much worse than the RoadRunner then TimeWarner cable I had before. What you call it does not really matter when you look at the numbers.
I am content with the connection as long as I am left alone and no more "creative" ways are found to "enhance" my experience. I do not like the lack of a meter and what I consider to be the misleading advertising regarding what the connection is and really can deliver, that is all.
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1 edit | Re: Wish someone would sue Comcast - no meter yet said by sturmvogel:Let's not go into semantics "high speed", "full speed" and all those hair splitting to muddy the issue. I don't consider the the differences between DSL and cable broadband to be "semantics"..fiber, not capped = what the Internet access should be "Fiber". Do you mean Verizon's offering of the FiOS product specifically ? Or is this question "semantics" as well ?  | |
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The DSL vs. cable are semantics when DSL is pushed as an alternative to cable and when I say it is not available the canned answer is "get dial up".
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Wish someone would sue Comcast - no meter yet said by C_Chipperson:said by koshoka:I don't think the word means what you think it means. I don't know the exact conditions where sturm is at, but there is a chance that Comcast has a "monopoly" as far as wired high speed residential internet goes. That doesn't mean one couldn't use another provider. Nobody is forced to use Comcast, ever. Sturm, can you elaborate on why no explanation was given as to why you can't subscribe to business class? Did you call them and ask, and they said no, and you said why, and they hung up? Just curious. Once I got "the call" the charming "abuse" rep refused to upgrade my account to business class. Calls to the business class dept. were not returned.
There is no DSL here, the other cable company cannot do an overbuild due to the CC franchise (that is what they said). Satellite signal is poor, 3G spotty, and dial up and IP over avian carriers are not "alternatives", no matter what a group here says.
Nobody is "forced" to have electricity, running water or natural gas service, but they are necessities for a civilized life. Broadband Internet is getting there, since more and more activities are either dependent on that or a lot more difficult without.
I could have easily kept my usage under 250 if the rep would have said so instead of the mantra "you have to drastically modify your Internet usage". What does that mean ?
I do not want to rehash the whole story again. You may believe it or not, you may disagree or not. I do not really care. Legislation will break these monopolies and that will be the end of that.
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kudos:6 | Re: More on monopolies The same thing could be said of all of the world's famous monopolies. | |
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1 edit | Re: Wish someone would sue Comcast - no meter yet said by koshoka:I don't think the word means what you think it means. Go read up on its meaning, read this thread, and then come back.
Have a great day.
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