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Topic 'Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream?' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640287 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:00:52 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:00:52 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22645942 said by fishacura:

The problem is really that the choice at hand is how much can you do for $7.62BB. Say they went for the new technology for this same price tag...they wouldn't be able to reach nearly as many people. Better to have more people up on something good than fewer people up on something better. Of course, you could argue which one is the "better" solution but you're talking about the Dems. They're going to want to get penetration (ha ha in my best Bevis laugh) to as many homes as possible and this is the best solution for that.

The other issue here is that this speed is probably fine for 90% of people. Keep in mind the people on these boards, myself included, are not the average users.
actually the ones who use the internet all the time are not the average users of the internet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22645942 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:22:54 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22642947 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22642947 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:26:46 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22642923 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22642923 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:17:09 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22642897 said by sonicmerlin:

Verizon's cost to deliver FTTH has thus far dropped to significantly below $1000 per household. Cost to pass + cost to connect is about $1500. Since rural areas are more costly, fewer homes per mile, I arbitrarily increased it to $2000 as an national average.

/tom]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22642897 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:07:47 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22642845 said by heatsker151:

My mental typo-filter must've been off; I tried to figure out what could possibly be done to get instant rollout of 200 Mbps upstream :D :D
Set up a tent in a colocation hosting building.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22642845 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:52:57 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22641827
Heck, the first fiber install occurred in the '70s with a 6mbit connection.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22641827 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:03:08 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22641814 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22641814 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:00:56 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22641584 said by Uncle Paul:

And there ya go....

It's sad really... Defining broadband in 1991 terms.

We're going to throw $7.2 billion at 768/200?
"1991 terms" isn't really fair. In 1991, I had a 2400 bps dial up modem (that's a connection at a whopping 2.4 kpbs, but at least it was symmetrical :D ) and the really exciting new connectivity product on the horizon was ISDN.

2001 terms maybe.
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$7.62 billion is nothing folks. Verizon's rollout is running upwards of $28 billion to cover a select few densely populated state with a 65% or so coverage goal.
To put these numbers into perspective there are about 110 million households in the US. Cost to deploy fiber to the premise (FTTP) is about $2000 per household or about $225 billion to provide fiber to everyone.

The goal of the stimulus is to invest in under-served areas and quickly deliver some form of broadband. As others have posted 768 kbps is significantly better then dialup.

/tom]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22641419 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:36:40 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22641364 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22641364 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:25:02 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22641332 said by Uncle Paul:

It's sad really... Defining broadband in 1991 terms.considering v.34 dial-up modems weren't even out yet in '91, this is an insane exaggeration.

heck, even in the late 90's, you were lucky if you have 256k.

My thoughts on this whole program = :( :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22641332 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:20:00 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22641186 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22641186 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:55:39 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640859 said by Uncle Paul:

And there ya go....

It's sad really... Defining broadband in 1991 terms.

We're going to throw $7.2 billion at 768/200?
Keep in mind that's a bare minimum to be considered broadband for this stimulus. Obviously they'll offer higher tiers if any good customers are to be satisfied. I get something reasonable with Sprint (even though it's still not too good, like 1150/20. yeah, 20.) I wouldn't switch out for 768/200 even if it was hard-wired (i mean NOT wireless) and a very constant rate of speed. And I even get a crappy signal with Sprint. Let's hope Sprint gets a chunk of that, maybe they'll improve our crap tower out here in the sticks, add a few T1's, increase range...something to think about. I LOVE thinking about the possibility of competition out here!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640859 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:53:35 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640767 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640767 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:33:24 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640699 said by KrK:

said by Uncle Paul:

That's not my point. If we're going to throw $7.62 BILLION at something, it should offer something better than 768/200.

That's the great thing about over Government--- it's the best money can buy.
$7.62 billion is nothing folks. Verizon's rollout is running upwards of $28 billion to cover a select few densely populated state with a 65% or so coverage goal. This is rural American we're talking about with vast areas where the population density is as low as 1 person per square mile.

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That's not my point. If we're going to throw $7.62 BILLION at something, it should offer something better than 768/200. That's the great thing about over Government--- it's the best money can buy.

In the United States we pay the most and get the least back for our dollar everytime, as most of it goes in profits to companies and little return to the public for THEIR money.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640658 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:13:59 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640570 said by tdouglas22:

said by me1212:

In areas where it is dial-up or sat, 768/200 with be VERY welcomed.

Exactly. After reading about the issues in the satellite broadband forums, I'm positive that this will be very much welcomed.
When all the country has known is a 2-cylinder putt-putt Yugo, a Ford Pinto is very much welcome.

That still doesn't excuse the fact its a waaay overpriced Pinto. And a used one at that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640570 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:08:49 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640603 said by Uncle Paul:

That's not my point. If we're going to throw $7.62 BILLION at something, it should offer something better than 768/200.

How does the US plan on having a good broadband plan if they start off by defining broadband using such a dated measuring stick.

As Patcat88 points out below... you're just going to see ATT put up cell towers and rake in money for a 3G deployment.
This is just the first part of the stimulus plan. This is not the official broadband policy. The article addresses this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640603 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:02:58 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640565
The other issue here is that this speed is probably fine for 90% of people. Keep in mind the people on these boards, myself included, are not the average users.
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In all seriousness, there are lots of providers whose basic packages don't meet that criteria...

TWC - 768/128
AT&T - 768/128
Verizon - 768/128
HughesNet - 1024/128
CenturyTel - 512/128
Qwest - 256/256
WildBlue - 512/128

The list goes on. Granted, I'd rather the limits be set at 1.5/512 but 768/200 100% of the time is a good start if the internet is reliable.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640552 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:52:38 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640496 said by Uncle Paul:

That's not my point. If we're going to throw $7.62 BILLION at something, it should offer something better than 768/200.

How does the US plan on having a good broadband plan if they start off by defining broadband using such a dated measuring stick.

As Patcat88 points out below... you're just going to see ATT put up cell towers and rake in money for a 3G deployment.
I agree, more is better, but it's better than nothing. At least now I can finally get a chip in on this game. I only need a million to cover my entire county in broadband, so I guess I better ask for 100 million just in case ;)
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How does the US plan on having a good broadband plan if they start off by defining broadband using such a dated measuring stick.

As Patcat88 points out below... you're just going to see ATT put up cell towers and rake in money for a 3G deployment.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640457 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:35:54 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640423
Me too. I would not bet on it though. I think they will spend more on areas that have high speed already and pocket more, combined, than they will spend on rural areas. They have made it fairly clear that they do not find these areas profitable enough, why would that change now?

"I have to wonder just how long it will take for people to start seeing this bills impact, and how many rural and sub-rural areas will still be left without broadband once this is all over."

Me too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640423 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:28:04 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640376 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640376 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:21:56 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640360 said by patcat88:

said by Uncle Paul:

And there ya go....

It's sad really... Defining broadband in 1991 terms.

We're going to throw $7.2 billion at 768/200?

So how much money will AT&T and Verizon get for their already existing 3G "broadband"?
Start sending those letters and let the lawmakers know why they don't deserve one red cent of that money. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640360 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:15:24 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640352 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640352 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:13:48 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640346 said by me1212:

In areas where it is dial-up or sat, 768/200 with be VERY welcomed.
Exactly. After reading about the issues in the satellite broadband forums, I'm positive that this will be very much welcomed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640346 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:13:03 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640338 said by Uncle Paul:

And there ya go....

It's sad really... Defining broadband in 1991 terms.

We're going to throw $7.2 billion at 768/200?
So how much money will AT&T and Verizon get for their already existing 3G "broadband"?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640338 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:12:15 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640315 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640315 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:08:52 EDT Re: 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640313 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640313 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:08:26 EDT 768kbps downstream and 200kbps upstream? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640287
It's sad really... Defining broadband in 1991 terms.

We're going to throw $7.2 billion at 768/200?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/768kbps-downstream-and-200kbps-upstream-22640287 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:03:15 EDT