Re: FAIL in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22646077 en Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:09:33 EDT Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:09:33 EDT Re: OVER 20 BILLION $/year...in texts http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22669113 anon : your math assumes that there's a Michael Jackson death news event every day of the year - NOT LIKELY...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22669113 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:31:14 EDT Re: FAIL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22669036 Matt :
said by StockWatcher :

good point! I'm sure AT&T would LOVE to do away with the all-you-can-eat data plans. My 15yr old daughter sent 3500 text messages last month and I only paid $15...
Under the original SMS pricing, you should have only paid $3.50.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22669036 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:07:48 EDT Re: FAIL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22668805 anon : good point! I'm sure AT&T would LOVE to do away with the all-you-can-eat data plans. My 15yr old daughter sent 3500 text messages last month and I only paid $15...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22668805 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:36:30 EDT Re: FAIL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649781 Matt :
said by C0deZer0 See Profile :

Actually, from AT&T, the Unlimited messaging is $20/month, or $30/month for a family plan.

The benefit (and burden) is that those phones capable of signing on to an instant messager (like AIM/MSN/YIM/etc.) are also counted in the list for these text messages, so I know for a fact my usage would get pretty high if I did have such a plan and capable phone.
It's counted against txt msgs only on non-Smartphone devices or devices without a data plan. At least, that's what the AT&T rep told me about my daughters LG Shine.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649781 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:18:21 EDT Re: FAIL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649310 C0deZer0 : Actually, from AT&T, the Unlimited messaging is $20/month, or $30/month for a family plan.

The benefit (and burden) is that those phones capable of signing on to an instant messager (like AIM/MSN/YIM/etc.) are also counted in the list for these text messages, so I know for a fact my usage would get pretty high if I did have such a plan and capable phone.
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said by mod_wastrel See Profile :

said by battleop See Profile :

...there is no way that there is so much profit that they have pure profit on 14 out of 15 bucks.
Yeah... it's closer to 15 out of 15. (What does it "cost" to use the control channel for text messages? It costs as much to send 100 million as it does to send 1 million messages; the channel is there regardless. The cost for processing the messages is negligible--pennies... if that.)
Thanks, I was just about to post that. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646732 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:45:16 EDT Re: FAIL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646553 mod_wastrel :
said by battleop See Profile :

...there is no way that there is so much profit that they have pure profit on 14 out of 15 bucks.
Yeah... it's closer to 15 out of 15. (What does it "cost" to use the control channel for text messages? It costs as much to send 100 million as it does to send 1 million messages; the channel is there regardless. The cost for processing the messages is negligible--pennies... if that.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646553 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:02:45 EDT Re: FAIL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646516 Jerm : SMS is nothing more than data. Even if a user does 1000 texts per month that is only 160KB, or less than 1/5th of a megabyte.

So you think it costs AT&T more than $1 for 1/5th of a MB?

I guess it depends on how you do the accounting. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646516 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:56:41 EDT Re: FAIL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646427 battleop : I don't doubt that there is a lot of profit in text messages but there is no way that there is so much profit that they have pure profit on 14 out of 15 bucks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646427 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:38:13 EDT Re: FAIL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646385 Jerm : While I agree there are many ways too look at this, when you consider how small each text is and compare that to general data & voice traffic you realize texts ARE all profit.

Source: Any previous SMS gripe article here in BBR.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646385 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:30:58 EDT Re: FAIL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646255 Matt :
said by jester121 See Profile :

Matt 0, Decimal arithmetic 4.

$.1 is the same as $.10 and both are less than $.5, as is $.2

:D
LOL, thanks for the correction. I did mean .01.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646255 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:07:32 EDT Re: FAIL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646077 jester121 : Matt 0, Decimal arithmetic 4.

$.1 is the same as $.10 and both are less than $.5, as is $.2

:D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646077 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:30:17 EDT Re: OVER 20 BILLION $/year...in texts http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645904 battleop : That's 65,000 per second on the DAY that Michael Jackson died, not every day.

.01*65,000*60*60*24=$56,160,000 Still a lot of money.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645904 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:57:03 EDT Re: OVER 20 BILLION $/year...in texts http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645905 sven_kirk3 : WOW! They should be PAYING me because I am one of the ones that don't text EVERY second.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645905 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:57:03 EDT Re: FAIL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645876 battleop : "The fact is that of that $15 at&t charges for unlimited texting at least $14 is profit."

If this a fact then it should not be to hard for you to cite your sources.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645876 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:52:36 EDT OVER 20 BILLION $/year...in texts http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645460 canesfan2001 : Lets say it's 1 cent per message.

Do the math.
AT&T Text Message Revenue per year is:
.01*65,000*60*60*24*365 = $20,498,400,000
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Pass.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645326 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:56:40 EDT Re: FAIL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645226 BF69 :
said by Matt See Profile :

said by manfmmd See Profile :

Unlimited texting is $15.00 which at $.20 is 75 messages...I use well over 160-170 messages per month.. I'm sure most other people on the unlimited plan do likewise.. Do the math..
Unfortunately, AT&T has done the math and I would wager that the unlimited plans are priced right in line where it's cheaper to buy said unlimited plan than to just pay per text. Don't forget, it used to be $.1 per txt, then was raised to $.5, then $.10 and now $.20. The price hikes are to encourage people who otherwise wouldn't have signed up for an unlimited plan to do so.
except I don't ever text so I don't have a plan. So perhaps if they went to 1 cent per text I would actually text and thus they would actually make money.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645226 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:39:35 EDT Re: FAIL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645213 BF69 :
said by manfmmd See Profile :

You fail to realize that all of the text messages aren't making AT&T $.20 per message both ways in most cases. That only applies to phones without a texting plan...

The messaging rate of 65k per second likely also takes into account system message which the customer is not charged for.

:uhh: :uhh:

edit to add:

Unlimited texting is $15.00 which at $.20 is 75 messages...I use well over 160-170 messages per month.. I'm sure most other people on the unlimited plan do likewise.. Do the math..
And you don't realize the cost of those 75 messages is well under a penny. TOTAL. The fact is that of that $15 at&t charges for unlimited texting at least $14 is profit. So if only 10 million customers have unlimited texting at&t is still making $1.68 BILLION a year off of them. And at&t has to charge $500 per GB overage on their data plans why? They can't upgrade their network so they don't have to have 5 GB caps, why?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645213 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:37:44 EDT Re: FAIL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645171 Matt :
said by manfmmd See Profile :

Unlimited texting is $15.00 which at $.20 is 75 messages...I use well over 160-170 messages per month.. I'm sure most other people on the unlimited plan do likewise.. Do the math..
Unfortunately, AT&T has done the math and I would wager that the unlimited plans are priced right in line where it's cheaper to buy said unlimited plan than to just pay per text. Don't forget, it used to be $.1 per txt, then was raised to $.5, then $.10 and now $.20. The price hikes are to encourage people who otherwise wouldn't have signed up for an unlimited plan to do so.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645171 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:29:57 EDT Re: FAIL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645163 ptrowski : Did you notice where Karl said that it was theoretical, and yes they offer bundle plans?

You fail.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645163 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:28:18 EDT FAIL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22645097 manfmmd : You fail to realize that all of the text messages aren't making AT&T $.20 per message both ways in most cases. That only applies to phones without a texting plan...

The messaging rate of 65k per second likely also takes into account system message which the customer is not charged for.

:uhh: :uhh:

edit to add:

Unlimited texting is $15.00 which at $.20 is 75 messages...I use well over 160-170 messages per month.. I'm sure most other people on the unlimited plan do likewise.. Do the math..
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