Lakers get the Cherry on Top: Artest! in Sports Chat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22647352 en Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:57:48 EDT Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:57:48 EDT Re: Lakers get the Cherry on Top: Artest! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22677402 Eagles LoveR : I compared the 2... MJ shot 42.7% in the 98 playoffs while Kobe shot 43% this playoff... People are saying that Kobes shooting percentage stinks so then the great one isn't that much better
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said by Chillin See Profile :

said by zaldy See Profile :

I've been a Kobe fan after MJ retired for the 2nd time...I think that was back in 98. Also a 43 percent FG isn't horrible in my opinion...I think it is very good considering majority of those shots were tough shots. Those aren't point blank range...which a good center always do. Try to compare Kobe's FG with the same position and you can see 43 is very good.
FYI your quoting something that a MOD edited. I wasn't suggesting you were not a Kobe fan from the begining. There are people here that are riding his train this year that were not just a year or two ago though. Its a funny thing.

I never commented on Kobe's FG %. But I can say its not as good as Jordans. Just another stat to look at. Dont try to tell us Jordan didn't have to hit tough shots. Alot of the ways Kobe is guarded today came from what teams learned guarding MJ.
All I'm saying is 43% is not a bad percentage...its actually every good considering all the facts. I also never mentioned Jordan isn't hitting tough shots...I never compared Kobe to Jordan because Kobe came into the league when Jordan is about to go out. Jordan played the NBA in the 80's and 90's while Kobe in 90's and 00's. Not fair to compare.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22676878 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:06:02 EDT Re: Lakers get the Cherry on Top: Artest! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22665960 The Dv8or :
said by Loco See Profile :

I liked Michael Jordan back then.....& still do, but Kobe is badass, meng.

Kobe is also the best player in the game today.
Okay, people who think that talking like Tony Montana is cool are automatically disqualified from this thread.
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Kobe is also the best player in the game today.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22665849 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:45:22 EDT Re: Lakers get the Cherry on Top: Artest! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22665764 Chillin :
said by zaldy See Profile :

I've been a Kobe fan after MJ retired for the 2nd time...I think that was back in 98. Also a 43 percent FG isn't horrible in my opinion...I think it is very good considering majority of those shots were tough shots. Those aren't point blank range...which a good center always do. Try to compare Kobe's FG with the same position and you can see 43 is very good.
FYI your quoting something that a MOD edited. I wasn't suggesting you were not a Kobe fan from the begining. There are people here that are riding his train this year that were not just a year or two ago though. Its a funny thing.

I never commented on Kobe's FG %. But I can say its not as good as Jordans. Just another stat to look at. Dont try to tell us Jordan didn't have to hit tough shots. Alot of the ways Kobe is guarded today came from what teams learned guarding MJ.
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Graphic Disorder]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22665764 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:21:59 EDT Re: Lakers get the Cherry on Top: Artest! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22665555 ariesguy :
said by tao See Profile :

For what Ron Artest did when he was 25, he should still be in jail. A couple of other then-Pacers too.
That's just crazy talk. People spend like one night in jail for getting into fights.. And I know the Detroit fans were all just angels too...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22665555 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:22:26 EDT Re: Lakers get the Cherry on Top: Artest! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22665419 zaldy :
said by Chillin See Profile :

said by zaldy See Profile :

said by Eagles LoveR See Profile :

I just said the greatest ever averaged less than a "horrible" 43% in a couple of his great championship runs... also can't say anything to the fact that it took shaq 8 years to get his ring and he had to get it with kobe... and when he got his with Kobe dwade averaged an amazing 35 points a game and ESPN actually rates dwades performance as the best in NBA history
A kobe hater will be always a Kobe hater no matter what.
What is your point?

Well unless your like some on this board that love him when he is winning, and when he is only winning .500 they are riding some other player.
I've been a Kobe fan after MJ retired for the 2nd time...I think that was back in 98. Also a 43 percent FG isn't horrible in my opinion...I think it is very good considering majority of those shots were tough shots. Those aren't point blank range...which a good center always do. Try to compare Kobe's FG with the same position and you can see 43 is very good.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22665419 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:13:51 EDT Re: Lakers get the Cherry on Top: Artest! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22660481 The Dv8or :
said by ariesguy See Profile :

said by pro7070 See Profile :

But damn he's a loose canon that could cause some problems.
When was the last time he lost it? I'm not keeping tabs, but it seems like he's been pretty mellow of late.. Maybe he's grown up? I was very different at 25 (when the brawl happened) and 30 (his current age). Look at Kobe, very different than he was 5 years ago..
He was arrested 2 years ago for domestic abuse and did time for it.
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said by Eagles LoveR See Profile :

said by Mats See Profile :

Ya but once a dick always a dick. Just like Kobe.
Once a hater always a hater
True enough.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22659427 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:53:25 EDT Re: Lakers get the Cherry on Top: Artest! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22659426 Eagles LoveR :
said by tao See Profile :

For what Ron Artest did when he was 25, he should still be in jail. A couple of other then-Pacers too.
5 years for a brawl? Stallworth has 30 days for killing a person... and Artest deserves 5 years for a brawl?
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said by Mats See Profile :

Ya but once a dick always a dick. Just like Kobe.
Once a hater always a hater]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22659425 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:51:15 EDT Re: Lakers get the Cherry on Top: Artest! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22659388 tao : For what Ron Artest did when he was 25, he should still be in jail. A couple of other then-Pacers too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22659388 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:33:23 EDT Re: Lakers get the Cherry on Top: Artest! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22659381 Mats : Ya but once a dick always a dick. Just like Kobe.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22659381 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:29:33 EDT Re: Lakers get the Cherry on Top: Artest! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22658811 ariesguy :
said by pro7070 See Profile :

But damn he's a loose canon that could cause some problems.
When was the last time he lost it? I'm not keeping tabs, but it seems like he's been pretty mellow of late.. Maybe he's grown up? I was very different at 25 (when the brawl happened) and 30 (his current age). Look at Kobe, very different than he was 5 years ago..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22658811 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:08:56 EDT Re: Lakers get the Cherry on Top: Artest! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655868 pro7070 :
said by Solid_Snake See Profile :

said by pro7070 See Profile :

Shit Ariza played pretty well in the playoffs and is young. Artest is a loose cannon. Plays great defense though. Why change something that worked?
ariza was like a 7ppg guy until the playoffs.. he is fools gold in my opinion
Ariza averaged 7 ppg @ 20.0 minutes/game in his 5 years as a pro.
This year in the playoffs his MPG went up to 31.4 and his PPG went up to 11.3.

Artest career average is 16.1 @ 34.8 MPG. This year in the Playoffs he averaged 15.6 @ 37.5 MPG.

Artest's first 5 years he averaged 13.2 PPG @ 31.2 MPG.

I don't think it's fair to compare PPG between a guy that averages 14 more minutes a game in the regular season for his career. You can see by the numbers the more minutes Ariza has gotten his production has went up. And this is playing with one of the biggest ball hogs (deservedly so) in the league.

Now Artest plays hands down better defense and may fit like a glove in this system like Pippen did in Chicago. But damn he's a loose canon that could cause some problems.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655868 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:20:53 EDT Re: Lakers get the Cherry on Top: Artest! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655079 Solid_Snake :
said by pro7070 See Profile :

Shit Ariza played pretty well in the playoffs and is young. Artest is a loose cannon. Plays great defense though. Why change something that worked?
ariza was like a 7ppg guy until the playoffs.. he is fools gold in my opinion
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said by Assault See Profile :

I think Kobe could have more rings than Jordan one day.
Only then could they be truely compared....
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said by zaldy See Profile :

said by Eagles LoveR See Profile :

I just said the greatest ever averaged less than a "horrible" 43% in a couple of his great championship runs... also can't say anything to the fact that it took shaq 8 years to get his ring and he had to get it with kobe... and when he got his with Kobe dwade averaged an amazing 35 points a game and ESPN actually rates dwades performance as the best in NBA history
A kobe hater will be always a Kobe hater no matter what.
What is your point?

Well unless your like some on this board that love him when he is winning, and when he is only winning .500 they are riding some other player.
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puck everyone else !]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651476 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:46:35 EDT Re: Lakers get the Cherry on Top: Artest! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651241 Eagles LoveR :
said by Assault See Profile :

I think Kobe could have more rings than Jordan one day.
It's a possibility]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651241 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:49:52 EDT Re: Lakers get the Cherry on Top: Artest! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650803 anwgo153 : :) LA is going to win another Champ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650803 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:17:48 EDT Re: Lakers get the Cherry on Top: Artest! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650182 Assault : I think Kobe could have more rings than Jordan one day.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650182 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:55:18 EDT Re: Lakers get the Cherry on Top: Artest! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22648345 mromero : »sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4303862]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22648345 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:16:14 EDT Re: Lakers get the Cherry on Top: Artest! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22648343 Eagles LoveR :
said by zaldy See Profile :

said by Eagles LoveR See Profile :
I just said the greatest ever averaged less than a "horrible" 43% in a couple of his great championship runs... also can't say anything to the fact that it took shaq 8 years to get his ring and he had to get it with kobe... and when he got his with Kobe dwade averaged an amazing 35 points a game and ESPN actually rates dwades performance as the best in NBA history
A kobe hater will be always a Kobe hater no matter what. Now that Kobe won without Shaq, those haters will come up with something...today is the 43 percent day.

Back to topic, I hope the Lakers can still keep Trevor.
They won't... Trevor signed with the Rockets... like a little trade... Ron Artest for Ariza

and you are correct... it's quite annoying that people love to hate so much they say 43% is a bad percentage when The Great Michael Jordan shot 42.7% in the 1998 playoffs... I Guess MJ isn't really great according to some people around these forums
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said by Eagles LoveR See Profile :

I just said the greatest ever averaged less than a "horrible" 43% in a couple of his great championship runs... also can't say anything to the fact that it took shaq 8 years to get his ring and he had to get it with kobe... and when he got his with Kobe dwade averaged an amazing 35 points a game and ESPN actually rates dwades performance as the best in NBA history
A kobe hater will be always a Kobe hater no matter what. Now that Kobe won without Shaq, those haters will come up with something...today is the 43 percent day.

Back to topic, I hope the Lakers can still keep Trevor.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22648175 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:54:24 EDT Re: Lakers get the Cherry on Top: Artest! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22648012 Eagles LoveR : I just said the greatest ever averaged less than a "horrible" 43% in a couple of his great championship runs... also can't say anything to the fact that it took shaq 8 years to get his ring and he had to get it with kobe... and when he got his without Kobe dwade averaged an amazing 35 points a game and ESPN actually rates dwades performance as the best in NBA history
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gaurentee most those top players get open looks something Kobe does not get... actually MJ's great performances in the past like late 90s when he won he shot UNDER 43%... I guess Michael Jordan sucks now too
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said by The Dv8or See Profile :

Only 5 years after Shaq got his without Kobe. And Shaq didnt have to ride the Kevin Garnett injury tide.
and Shaq had to wait 8 years to get his first and that first was with kobe... and Shaq had to ride Dwades 35 average in the NBA finals... highest since a guy named Michael Jordan... heard he was pretty good

ESPN has dwade as the best finals performance ever

»sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2···mances-1
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said by The Dv8or See Profile :

I cant wait for Artest's first tantrum. Those fit right in LA.
AS well as Kobe getting his without Shaq]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647628 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:11:41 EDT Re: Lakers get the Cherry on Top: Artest! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647622 Eagles LoveR : How do you know it'll change... whos it to say that they won't keep Ariza and have Artest on the same team]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647622 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:10:03 EDT Re: Lakers get the Cherry on Top: Artest! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647603 pro7070 : Shit Ariza played pretty well in the playoffs and is young. Artest is a loose cannon. Plays great defense though. Why change something that worked?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647603 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:04:01 EDT Re: Lakers get the Cherry on Top: Artest! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647554 eX_NihiLo : Artest has mellowed out alot. He's gives a great interview tho. Some of those in the last playoffs were all-time funny.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZtxQkay0ac
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Now Kobe won't have to guard any high scoring small forwards Lebron, Carmelo etc.

»sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4303679

Only thing is Kobe is going to have to send a card to Artest for that elbow. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647352 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:12:49 EDT