HappyBunny
Hi. Cram It.
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Re: I am not paying for MJ's memorial!
said by shortckt  : After reading my IM I now understand why he's gone. And the Wx forum would not have been the right place to send him. No one deserves THAT. No one. |
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shortckt
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said by HappyBunny :Oh no, dont get rid of our personal troll! We love him, kind of like an evil little mascot. Maybe they should'a banished him to the Wx forum 
edit: After reading my IM I now understand why he's gone. And the Wx forum would not have been the right place to send him. |
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shortckt
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said by Steve :Why would they need a permit? .... Not for the event taking place on the Staples Center property, but for the ancilliary services required from the city to assist the event, e.g. traffic control, extra police, barricades etc.
For all I know, the large venues may pay a recurring fee for permits to host regularly scheduled large events.
In a city where you (strictly speaking) need a permit to have a garage or yard sale i'm surprised LA overlooked this small point while entire departments were making preparations for the onslaught of the masses. |
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shortckt
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said by shortckt :[att=1] [att=2] I just noticed this... did he have to go stand in the corner one time too many ?  LOL he must have really pissed someone off, my earlier post (right above mers2 's response) which included a screen shot of his avatar was deleted by a mod. A first for me ever on BBR! |
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SOLdesign
Did I drink a shot of Irrational Whore?
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Woodland Hills, CA | reply to shortckt
I thought the police response was appropriate, I just want the responsible parties to pay for it. And that does not include me. |
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HappyBunny
Hi. Cram It.
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Long Beach, CA | reply to SOLdesign
Oh no, dont get rid of our personal troll! We love him, kind of like an evil little mascot. |
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dogma
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said by shortckt :...Actual numbers ended up being only a fraction of that estimate. The company which put the whole thing together provided the overly optimistic estimate. said by Reuters--> »www.reuters.com/article/michaelJ···20090707 :
Police estimate more than 250,000 people will cram onto the sidewalks outside the arena to pay their final respect to the "Thriller" singer
said by ABC News--> »i.abcnews.com/Blotter/MichaelJac···2&page=1 :
Preparations for Michael Jackson's memorial service Tuesday are being made with Los Angeles city and county officials, who are anticipating a crowd of mourners that could top 750,000, according to sources involved in the planning.
said by NBC News--> »www.nbcwashington.com/news/enter···rs-.html :
A crush of Michael Jackson fans -- with some estimates nearing 1 million -- will descend on the Staples Center in Los Angeles...
No, these crowd estimates didn't come from the promoter. In fact I don't think they came from the "Police" or "City Officials" either as no names are quoted.
This is yet another example of our sociopath broadcast media attempting to create an entertainment product out of thin air. Although the entertainment product was inside the Staples Center (How fitting for MJ, he was pimped by everyone he ever came into contact with in life, and he gets pimped in death), it was commercial free. A cooked up frenzy of hundred's of thousands of MJ fans stampeding outside the Staples Center is exactly the "reality show" the media wanted very, very desperately to drum up and to sell.
Kudos to LAPD...again... for making their presence known ahead of time, and forcing the media to report to the public not to come to the event. Thus preempting any major confrontation between Police and citizens.
Look at it another way; On February 5, 2009 Los Angeles City Council agreed to pay nearly $13 million to people injured or mistreated in a 2007 May Day melee in MacArthur Park --bringing the total money spent over the prior two weeks to settle lawsuits alleging LAPD misconduct to more than $30 million.
One plaintiff, just one plaintiff in the Rampart scandal got a $16 Million settlement from the LAPD. I am guessing the LAPD has paid out more than $1/2 Billion in "settlements" over the years.
I am becoming a fan of Chief Bratton. He's methodically getting rid of the slimebag racist LAPD culture and slowly building a "professional Agency". |
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58999258
join:2005-09-08
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said by jig :ok, then that means the city loses 1.4m on every laker game, cause that's about as many people who showed for MJs eulogy. Do city need to have 3k officers out? My guess is no. Do they need special traffic control etc? Very unlikely unless it's right before the championship. |
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Steve
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said by shortckt : Amazingly, the city has no record of anyone obtaining a permit for any portion of the MJ event! Why would they need a permit?
This was a private event held on private property with attendance known in advance to fit within the property: do they need a permit for every Laker's game too?
I understand that something is different about this, but not sure how the law could call it anything other than any other event held at Staples Center.
Steve
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said by 58999258 :I tried to get to the city website for donation, but everytime i tired, it was down. It was probably tired too.
And all this time I thought ylen did things just to be a troll or scofflaw but instead he is just trying to donate. |
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CurtesyFlush
Bababooey, fafafooey, tatatoothy.
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Fontana, CA | reply to shortckt
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shortckt
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I think he's already back, but time will tell. I wonder what was the last straw, so to speak. |
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mers2
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said by shortckt :[att=1] [att=2] I just noticed this... did he have to go stand in the corner one time too many ? Whatever will we do for entertainment now? I suspect he'll be back under another name, but with the same posting habits.
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shortckt
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I am not paying for MJ's memorial!
The latest story seems to be the large LAPD response was in proportion to the estimated number of visitors. Actual numbers ended up being only a fraction of that estimate. The company which put the whole thing together provided the overly optimistic estimate. No sanity checking was done. Amazingly, the city has no record of anyone obtaining a permit for any portion of the MJ event!
The original cost was revised downward by: accounting for payroll savings by sending some officers home early when it became apparent the estimated crowds were not going to materialize; accounting for the venue operator (AEG ?) agreeing to pay a small part of the cost; and (probably) some 'creative accounting.'
Some city leaders, including newly elected LA City Attorney Trutanich, are promising to investigate score brownie points with the public and extract due payment from Jackson family, the venue operator or whoever. |
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SOLdesign
Did I drink a shot of Irrational Whore?
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tonight, they jacked the estimate up to $4mill. nice.
and BTW, I have absolutely no problem with the lunches. I saw th estory on the news tonight and they got two sandwiches, two bags of chips fruit desert and two sodas. They had the lowest bid. I call it a win even though I had to pay for it. |
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jig
join:2001-01-05
Hacienda Heights, CA | reply to 58999258
ok, then that means the city loses 1.4m on every laker game, cause that's about as many people who showed for MJs eulogy.
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58999258
join:2005-09-08 | reply to jig
If they could spend $35k on just food, i can easily see them having 3k officers that at the end cost 1.4 million. |
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jig
join:2001-01-05
Hacienda Heights, CA
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i'm still calling bullshit on the 1.4m. how many cops were there, and how many hours did they work? someone said something like 3000.... that's way way more than they would need, and that's $500 each for the whole time.
i'd say they'd never need more than 500 for the area they blocked off. that's $2800 each for at most a half day's work.
we'll see. the mayors office keeps trumpeting that they thought it was going to be 4m... as if we're supposed to be grateful that it only cost 1.4m. that's over 20 teacher's salaries, for a whole year...
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58999258
join:2005-09-08 | reply to SOLdesign
I tried to get to the city website for donation, but everytime i tired, it was down. |
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