[TV] Shaw controls their PVRs in Shaw http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22648871 en Sat, 05 Dec 2009 06:13:52 EDT Sat, 05 Dec 2009 06:13:52 EDT Re: [TV] Shaw controls their PVRs http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22722122 ErikRP : I'm a little less concerned about the service being shut down for non-payment as I am having it useless when I'm no longer with Shaw. I will probably not always be with Shaw, so anything that I have recorded that I want to save I will need to find a way to export.

I have seen ways to do this, with this box, from other places but I have yet to attempt.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22722122 Fri, 17 Jul 2009 06:57:40 EDT Re: [TV] Shaw controls their PVRs http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22721717 anon : The DVR function of digital boxes are controlled by Shaw, when they shut your box down for non-payment they also shut down the DVR service.

DVR services are controllable because company's can either use a hard drive in the box for recording or they can use a sort of "virtual dvr" where if you hit record on the box it actually records to a server in the headend. While nobody uses the latter it is possible...kinda like PVR on Demand.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22721717 Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:52:43 EDT Re: [TV] Shaw controls their PVRs http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22665070 jbcalg :
said by jrsaysbiteme See Profile :

Im not surprised they can do that and i dont blame them. If you cant pay your bill then you dont deserve to have the service.
LOL -what a cheery soul you are

no idea why the OP hadn't paid bill - don't care

i didn't pay mine because i forgot - i get the email notification but no longer have a paper bill from another service to remind me it's due
- my fault
- 100%

but when Shaw calls and says: please call us, without leaving a number or department, or name

i was a little surprised to be cut off 5 minutes later when i was finally able to speak to someone who could access my file

the Rep was equally surprised and switched it back on without a penny being paid in payment - she looked at the logs and said they never do a cut-off 5 minutes after leaving a message :)

i paid in full anyways while speaking to her

... and am drafting my oh-so-polite letter to Shaw suggesting just maybe they could include a 'last payment date' line in their auto-email about the bill being available

my point - it's not what was done, but how it was done

... please return to your regularly scheduled browsing]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22665070 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:28:31 EDT Re: [TV] Shaw controls their PVRs http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22664098 AnonShawUser : Then you're free to sell it to someone else if you don't want Shaw service any more. Or do whatever else you want with it, if you feel adventurous.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22664098 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:20:28 EDT Re: [TV] Shaw controls their PVRs http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22663708 anon : What if you bought the hardware from shaw?:)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22663708 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:21:12 EDT Re: [TV] Shaw controls their PVRs http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22661594 Xtort : Welcome to the world of DRM. As for as Shaw is concerned, you don't own the content on the PVR and they locked you out after you were disconnected from their service.

Shaw has every right to modify a device to work with their service as you didn't buy it from the manufacturer. It's no different than buying a cell phone from a cell service provider. There's always going to be an implemented restriction on the device.
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said by cableguy84 See Profile :

said by jrsaysbiteme See Profile :

Im not surprised they can do that and i dont blame them. If you cant pay your bill then you dont deserve to have the service.
agreed
Whoa, slow down there.

It's not that I can't pay a bill, I didn't, for reasons that are none of your concern or business. I was simply making an observation that a piece of hardware that I own outright would not allow me to watch previously recorded material. While the technology is different, it's essentially the same principle as if I could no longer watch what I had recorded via a VCR, or a non-Shaw PVR (i.e. digital recorder).

I (now) understand that the interface used by the device requires an active connection with Shaw, which means anything a person records must either be deleted or removed via Firewire, since I'm not aware of any other way of extracting a recorded show from the box.

Go do your judging somewhere else.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22659954 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:00:06 EDT Re: [TV] Shaw controls their PVRs http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653789 cableguy84 :
said by jrsaysbiteme See Profile :

Im not surprised they can do that and i dont blame them. If you cant pay your bill then you dont deserve to have the service.
agreed]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653789 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:11:16 EDT Re: [TV] Shaw controls their PVRs http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650682 jrsaysbiteme : Im not surprised they can do that and i dont blame them. If you cant pay your bill then you dont deserve to have the service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22650682 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:52:00 EDT Re: [TV] Shaw controls their PVRs http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649103 joshb :
said by ErikRP See Profile :

I'm curious now - if I ever decide to leave Shaw, do I have to transfer over any content remaining on my unit before service is terminated, or lose it?
In most cases if you decide to cancel your service you will most likely loose it. What they did to you for your outstanding bill is the same procedure they would do if you cancelled your service. They de-provision the box.

The only you would avoid loosing your material would be to pull it off the box before hand.

The menu and guide options are fed from the network. Once box no longer has communication with the head end there is no more menu and you will get the same error message. Not authorized.
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Maybe that's not news to everyone, but it surprised me. I can see not letting me watch any more TV until the bill was paid up, but to not allow me to watch what I've already recorded on a unit that I purchased?

I'm curious now - if I ever decide to leave Shaw, do I have to transfer over any content remaining on my unit before service is terminated, or lose it?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22648871 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:29:59 EDT