More Malfeasance in Sacramento in Southern California http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22649670 en Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:17:46 EDT Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:17:46 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22665370 CurtesyFlush : I forgot my sarcastic tags.
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said by CurtesyFlush See Profile :

said by 81399672 See Profile :

Reading this thread all I can say is wow. My high school parking lot was full with bmw, benz, lexus, audi. It's normal for 16 year to drive in California.
Yeah, that's all you see in the parking lots at Santa Ana High, Adelanto High, and Fontana High.
Fontana? I guess they've moved up in the world recenlty :D
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said by 81399672 See Profile :

Reading this thread all I can say is wow. My high school parking lot was full with bmw, benz, lexus, audi. It's normal for 16 year to drive in California.
Yeah, that's all you see in the parking lots at Santa Ana High, Adelanto High, and Fontana High.
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said by RR Conductor See Profile :

You didn't have any kids named Blaine and Buffy at your school did you? ;)
:D
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said by RR Conductor See Profile :

said by 81399672 See Profile :

Reading this thread all I can say is wow. My high school parking lot was full with bmw, benz, lexus, audi. It's normal for 16 year to drive in California.
Your High School sounds like South Hills, our rival and where all the richies went :D
I did go to Beverly Hills High School. So yes you can that that school was for the riches.
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said by 81399672 See Profile :

Reading this thread all I can say is wow. My high school parking lot was full with bmw, benz, lexus, audi. It's normal for 16 year to drive in California.
Your High School sounds like South Hills, our rival and where all the richies went :D
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It needed a tune-up, and I told him he had two choices: pay for a shop to do it for him with his own money ($$$$) or do it himself under my occasional supervision. Of course, I knew something he didn't know... 3 of the plugs were whores to R&R.

Actually, I knew another thing he didn't know... I wasn't going to help him. He needed a lesson in patience and sticking to a task and seeing it through. He came stomping into the house in frustration quite a few times, because HE knew that I'D done the job a few times in the past, and that I had it down to a science, and why couldn't I just come out there and whip the last two plugs out for him?

I told him he was going to do the whole job and get that thing running or he could ride the bus to school with the froshies and sophies. That did it. Mr. Cool Homie don't play dat.

When your kids hate you, you're doing a good job.
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Because of my divorce and a very smart attorney who warned me NEVER to enter into any monetary entanglements with my ex-wife, my kids didn't get their licences until they were 18. (Both parents must sign off on a minor's DL and both assume FULL RESPONSIBILITY regardless of who has custody at the time.)

They survived. The first was the hardest to deal with, but as each one reached the magic age of 15 1/2, they began to realize that a license was out of the question.

For each one I promised that I would match the first $2K going to the purchase of a vehicle, but insurance was up to them. We made a big deal of opening a joint savings account on birthday 18 and I put the money in the account. We called it the "escrow account". Amazingly they all managed to save at least the max.

I like the idea of "renting" as an alternative. but it does chaff my hide when a lot of these kids get if not new, 1 or 2 year old cars on their 16th. Talking about creating a sense of entitlement! I thought I was lucky getting my parents to cosign for $600 for a Honda 125!
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I haven't done the homework to know if she was right or if there's some other statute floating around regarding it. If I'm wrong, I'll be happy for my youngest son, but I will not retract my comment about the legislators.
:)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22661892 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:04:56 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22661833 dogma : I just looked up that whole age restriction thing. Although I did see some "recommendations" from some acronym'd safety board suggesting the age requirement be raised to 18 in the Sunshine State, that change will likely never see the light of day...so to speak.
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Effective January 1, 2006, a new law will increase driving restrictions for persons under the age of 18 who:

Are issued a provisional driver license (DL) on or after January 1, 2006, or Already hold a provisional DL issued on or after January 1, 2005. Provisional Driving Restrictions—You must be accompanied and supervised by a licensed parent, guardian or other licensed driver 25 years of age or older or a licensed or certified driving instructor when you:

Transport passengers under 20 years of age at any time, for the first twelve months.
Drive between 11 pm and 5 am for the first twelve months.

How does this affect you guys?

edit: Nevada regs regarding drivers under 18:
Passenger Restriction
said by Nevada DMV :
Young drivers may not transport any passenger under the age of 18, except for immediate family members, for the first six months after the license was issued. Penalties for violations include extending the restriction for six months or more and fines for repeated violations.

Statewide Driving Curfew
Drivers under 18 may not drive between the hours of 10 p.m. and 5 a.m. unless they are traveling to or from a scheduled event such as school events or work. Law enforcement may ask for satisfactory evidence of the event. This applies to all drivers under the age of 18 until they turn 18.

Local Curfew Laws
Although local curfews are not related to driving, minors must know and obey the local laws.
Las Vegas Strip and Downtown
9 p.m., unless accompanied by an adult.

Elsewhere in Las Vegas
10 p.m. Sunday - Thursday
Midnight on Friday and Saturday

Other Restrictions
Nevada has a .02 blood alcohol limit for drivers under 21.***
Drivers can also be arrested for any detectable amount of a controlled or prohibited substance.

Minor driver licenses can be suspended for any of the same reasons as adult licenses and also for non-driving alcohol/drug convictions, firearms violations or habitual truancy.


***WTF? The legal drinking age in Nevada is 21.
Apparently Nevada law is like the Pirates code, really more like "guidelines".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22661833 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:55:03 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22661631 No_Strings : My strong preference would be to have him build one he could call his own based on sweat equity. One of my neighbors did that with all three of his back in St. Louis.

A flatbed shows up with a dilapidated '65 Mustang that looked like it had been used in a scene from the movie where NYC is converted into a prison (an idea that needs revisiting, but that's another thread). I was able to watch the process of a complete frame-up restore, with he and his daughter doing almost all of the work. He out-tasked powder-coating the frame, but did nearly everything else himself including sewing the upholstery.

When it was done, you'd swear that thing had just rolled out of the showroom and the daughter learned more about what it takes to build and maintain a car than most UAW members. Cherry red, 289 and chrome so shiny you could shave in it.

I lack the resources, space and much of the skills to take something like that on. Even if I did, the oldest is not interested or adept at such projects. It would be right up my youngest's alley, though, and we've talked about a scaled-back project if he doesn't inherit the Scion. Another variable in #2 son's driving future is the increase in the driving age. Stupid morons in Sacramento. I wonder if I could get a PO box in NV for a couple of years?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22661631 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:26:07 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22661157 dogma :
said by sholling See Profile :

Dogma, getting him hooked on public transportation will just leave you with a failure to launch on your hands. ;) What you should be doing is finding (really soon) a late 60s or early 70s V8 Camaro or Mustang and making a father/son project out of fixing it up for him. He can do extra chores for spiffy parts. If he has his own blood sweat and tears into it he'll appreciate it more.
That's an excellent suggestion. We do have this 2002 Ford diesel pickup and we did brew up bio diesel as a project. I got the truck for a song and to drive on the plot of rocks, but it's one of those rigs with the 25' lift kit where you need a grappling hook to get into it. The only thing that its missing is gun racks and long horns on the grille. It couldn't be more safe to drive, and couldn't be more unsafe for anything that it may come into contact with. With my kid driving, I have to consider the public welfare.
said by No_Strings See Profile :

Dogma,
I understand your dilemma. It's one I wrestle with regularly. ...
I see you thought it all out early.

However, once your son slaps on the Volante Diamond Black Polished Lip 19" Rims and Yokohama Parada's, the cabon fiber rear deck wing, and xenon running lights, IMO, under no circumstances will you be prying the X5 away from the wife.
"I don't get it," remarked a middle-aged man passing a row of Scion cars parked on the street. And that's just the point -- more than likely, that same man walked back to his Focus in his "loose fit" acid wash jeans, drove home and gave his teenage son yet another lecture on how raking leaves builds "character" and how System of a Down doesn't play real music but rather "just a bunch of noise."

I see this can be a very perplexing decision on many fronts. Right now, the Focus is approaching 200K miles, and at 10 years old is long in the tooth. I am in the long process (funding challenged) of converting the family fleet to an all diesel platform. The next car will most likely be a VW TDI SportsWagen. 52MPG, slightly cool if you look at it from the right angle, German - which automatically certifies it under the No_Strings See Profile minimum standard to even be considered a "car" -, and it would be new...therefore reliable and relatively safe. He would only be able to "borrow" the keys as needed I think. Perhaps we can enter into an agreement where he can rent it from me Month to Month; he pays X$ at the beginning of each Month and he has X days of driving privileges. I dunno. That's probably over thinking the whole thing. At least I have a short time to mull it all over.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22661157 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:02:29 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22659157 RR Conductor : They use sand anywhere in CA that gets ice or snow, Caltrans puts it down here during the winter on snowy and icy spots, as do the railroads as ghost mentioned. The railroads don't just use it in the winter though, it's dropped (by nozzels located behind the wheels, eacn locomotive carries it's own load of sand) to gain traction at any time of year.
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said by markf4 See Profile :

I think it's because Caltrans does not use salt and sand just sand on the snowy roads.. I lived in Minnesota and never use chains
CalTrans does indeed use sand....There are huge piles up at Oak Hills in the CalTrans yard in between the north and south lanes of the 15 that rises from 2900 feet to 4700 feet in less than 3 miles, and on the 5 just to the north of Lake Castaic.

The 10 freeway gets snow but usually just flurries that melt off quickly so Sand is not kept out there. The sand you do see is for UP trains. They use it to spread on the tracks for more traction through the 10 and also the 15.
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said by markf4 See Profile :

I thing it's because Caltrans does not use salt and sand just sand on the snowy roads.. I lived in Minnesota and never use chains
Minnesota does not have mountains, California has quite steep mountains.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22657409 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:16:00 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22657397 markf4 : I thing it's because Caltrans does not use salt and sand just sand on the snowy roads.. I lived in Minnesota and never use chains]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22657397 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:10:25 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22657159 jig : the car they were on spent a lot of time in colorado, montana, and NV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22657159 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:52:55 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656148 RR Conductor :
said by jig See Profile :

my 15 year old pair are in my shed. suck, suck, suck.
Lol Yeah, you probably use them a lot in the blizzards in Hacienda Heights :D
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said by jig See Profile :

huh. seems they changed the law in 2006.

well, then, let me be the first to say that studded snow tires suck,
As a previous, 7 year user of Studded Snow Tires, I can tell you they don't suck when you are trying to get around on icy or snowy roads, I can tell you that :) We ran them every winter in Idaho, and they made a HUGE difference.
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well, then, let me be the first to say that studded snow tires suck, especially in socal. they reduce traction in the wet, there's almost never enough snow down here for them to be useful, and, as you point out, they don't alleviate the requirement for chains, AND they mess up the roads (because people can't remove them as easily as they can chains).

they were also illegal in NV, but i guess that law changed too. seems silly to change it.
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Edit-Actually, Studded Snow Tires are legal in CA from November 1st until April 30th

"What are the dates for studded snow tires?

Studded snow tires are permitted in California from November 1 until April 30 each year. During this time, studded tires are permitted in any location within the state. Studded snow tires are not considered tire traction devices and may not be used in lieu of chains" »www.amtrakcalifornia.com/hq/traf···creened"

In Idaho, they are allowed from October 1st to April 30th. Some other dates for Intermountain States-

"Studded snow tires legal from Oct. 1 to April 30....

Studded tire laws vary in neighboring states:

· Montana: Oct. 1 – May 31

· Nevada: Oct. 1 – April 30

· Utah: Oct. 15 – April 15

· Oregon: Nov. 1 – March 31

· Washington: Nov. 1 – March 31

· Wyoming: Legal all year"

»itd.idaho.gov/highways/WinterMai···e.03.htm You'll see they are legal in Nevada as well.

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i'm pretty sure you don't have to go much further north from toledeo to hit some areas where chains are useful (even with the total lack of elevation change).

RR - studded tires are illegal in all parts of CA. it's questionable whether they're illegal even in NV. also, i'm willing to bet that the rockies get a whole hell of a lot more snow than the sierras.
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said by HappyBunny See Profile :

My parents told me that if I wanted to drive something other than the family station wagon with its so uncool wood paneling (1976 Plymouth Gran Fury Wagon!), I could buy it myself. So I saved money from my job slopping nursing home swill food and bought a 1971 primer gray Toyota Celica. I thought it was really awesome because it had orange shag carpet in the rear window! I put in a loud stereo (my dad helped me) and I thought I was the coolest (I wasn't but who cares?). I drove around with the Cars and Meatloaf blaring from the 8-track player. It was MY car, so my parents couldnt take it away when they were pissed at me, either :)

Why rob a kid of that pleasure? What fun is it to just have it given to you? I went to a Catholic girls' high school, and nobody there drove new cars--everyone had old beaters like I did. Of course, we didnt live in the OC, so I guess that makes a difference. I certainly didnt know anyone who had a BMW, not even an adult who did!
I didn't have a car in High School either, I either drove my parents car or truck, drove friends cars or had friends drive me. When we moved to Pocatello in 1990 and I started at Idaho State University, my grandpa and grandma cook (dad's parents) let me have their 1980 Toyota Pickup (they didn't use it much, as their main car was an Olds Cutlass), it was a stick and my grandpa taught me to drive it, I sure do miss him! It was an AWESOME little truck, I had it until 1997 when I traded it on a 1997 Dodge Neon (which I still own), those are the only 2 cars I've ever owned in my 37 years :)

Edit-Nobody at Covina High had BMW's or cars like that, in fact, most didn't have one. Now, it was a different story at our rival, South Hills High, they were the "richies", and drove expensive cars, they had the money, we were middle to upper middle class :)
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said by RR Conductor See Profile :

You do know that the snowiest place in the US is here in CA, the Sierra Nevada's. Buffalo gets a TON, no doubt, but nothing like Donner can get.

About tires, people in Ohio and the "snow belt" must be a bit crazy, because when we lived in Pocatello, ID (90-97), we ran studded snow tires in the winter, and most everybody else there ran at least snow tires. We had them put on in the late fall, (Big O would store our summer tires), and then in the Spring we would go and have the summer tires put back on.
Studded tires and chains are actually illegal in Ohio. Go figure. I've never used either. And I have never put a car in the ditch in bad weather!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652891 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 05:05:47 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652887 RR Conductor :
said by HappyBunny See Profile :

said by jig See Profile :

hmm. i can understand why someone from Ohio would never need them, but if you go much up 395 way, they are absolutely necessary. front wheel drive helps a lot, but you won't get into/out of most skiing places north of bear lake without them. even with 4wheel drive.
Is it because the snow is deep? Or because people here can't drive in it? We didnt even buy "snow tires" in Ohio--do they even make those anymore? We just bought all season radials. I once drove in a blizzard from Toronto to Cleveland--snow belt all the way, right thru Buffalo... with nary a snow tire.

I still am not sure WHY they are needed, other than people are told to use them.
You do know that the snowiest place in the US is here in CA, the Sierra Nevada's. Buffalo gets a TON, no doubt, but nothing like Donner can get.

About tires, people in Ohio and the "snow belt" must be a bit crazy, because when we lived in Pocatello, ID (90-97), we ran studded snow tires in the winter, and most everybody else there ran at least snow tires. We had them put on in the late fall, (Big O would store our summer tires), and then in the Spring we would go and have the summer tires put back on.
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said by jig See Profile :

hmm. i can understand why someone from Ohio would never need them, but if you go much up 395 way, they are absolutely necessary. front wheel drive helps a lot, but you won't get into/out of most skiing places north of bear lake without them. even with 4wheel drive.
Is it because the snow is deep? Or because people here can't drive in it? We didnt even buy "snow tires" in Ohio--do they even make those anymore? We just bought all season radials. I once drove in a blizzard from Toronto to Cleveland--snow belt all the way, right thru Buffalo... with nary a snow tire.

I still am not sure WHY they are needed, other than people are told to use them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652882 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 04:57:11 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652878 HappyBunny : My parents told me that if I wanted to drive something other than the family station wagon with its so uncool wood paneling (1976 Plymouth Gran Fury Wagon!), I could buy it myself. So I saved money from my job slopping nursing home swill food and bought a 1971 primer gray Toyota Celica. I thought it was really awesome because it had orange shag carpet in the rear window! I put in a loud stereo (my dad helped me) and I thought I was the coolest (I wasn't but who cares?). I drove around with the Cars and Meatloaf blaring from the 8-track player. It was MY car, so my parents couldnt take it away when they were pissed at me, either :)

Why rob a kid of that pleasure? What fun is it to just have it given to you? I went to a Catholic girls' high school, and nobody there drove new cars--everyone had old beaters like I did. Of course, we didnt live in the OC, so I guess that makes a difference. I certainly didnt know anyone who had a BMW, not even an adult who did!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652878 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 04:52:25 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652787 No_Strings : Toyota Scion.

Sharing with the wife, mostly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652787 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 03:03:15 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652780 CurtesyFlush : So he's sharing the Scion with whom? Wher's the toyota fit in?

I'm so goddam confused.
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said by CurtesyFlush See Profile :

So you got rid of the BMW?
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Not yet. It's slated for retirement in about a year. It's getting used a lot less, though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652775 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 02:55:13 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652765 sholling : My dad had a simple solution. If I got a part time job and saved I'd be able to afford something but I wasn't going to be driving his cars. When I turned 18 I had just enough saved for a used Honda motorcycle. Great mileage and a lot of fun. I didn't have my first car until I was was 18 and had been out on my own for for 4-5 months. It was an old beat up Austin Healey 3000. I loved it. :D

Like this one but a bit beat up. But Damn it fun! :D



Dogma, getting him hooked on public transportation will just leave you with a failure to launch on your hands. ;) What you should be doing is finding (really soon) a late 60s or early 70s V8 Camaro or Mustang and making a father/son project out of fixing it up for him. He can do extra chores for spiffy parts. If he has his own blood sweat and tears into it he'll appreciate it more.
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As far as I know, there's no public access to what's left of the runways at El Toro. I've taken them out in parking lots or less-traveled roads, but I wish they had a lot more drive time before they hit the road legally.

Dogma,

I understand your dilemma. It's one I wrestle with regularly. To answer your questions:

It's a family car, scaling back from the X5 we don't need as much any more.

Scholastic milestones were established as prerequisites to each stage - the permit, driving school, taking the written test and finally the driving test.

He has a job - a summer one, anyway - and is contributing to the expenses while playing on two teams (one 18 & under where he has a 1.something ERA against incoming college freshmen), chores around the house and helping out with a grade 3-5 camp. Oh, and working out and girls.

One of my concerns was my family's well-being and the likelihood of being stranded somewhere driving a beater vs. a new, under-warranty vehicle. Yes, we have AAA, too.

Finally, the Audi and to a lesser extent the X5 are off-limits for now. The X5 is a beast. It's big and heavy, but with a quick V-8 and a 0-60 as good as mine. Bad combination. My car is just insane for an inexperienced driver. Far too much power. Both would be hideously expensive to insure with a 16 year-old male. Knowing that most new drivers have at least one unplanned stoppage, it seems irresponsible to allow that to happen to the German steel/aluminum vs. some Japanese sheet metal.

Will shared access to a Toyota ruin the kid for life? Look me up in the old folks' home in 10 or 20 and I may have an answer. It's equally likely I will have forgotten the question, though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652743 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 02:28:13 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652678 dogma : Sound like???

So as a side story;
In High School at Crenshaw when I was 16 back in the mid-'70's and had begun driving, I knew another guy my age named Mike Stennis. Mike was one of the sons of a successful Black Restaurantur, a guy that owned a chain of ...yes...Fried Chicken joints called Golden Bird (and was that shit delicious!). Mike, although he lived in the district for Crenshaw High, went to Palisades. His parents thought he deserved a "better" school.

When Mike turned 16 his dad gave him a brand new, 1976 Dino Ferrari . He had a vanity license plate: WICKED

At the time, Pali had some rich kids driving Porches and Vettes, but Mike's Dino trumped them all. We all took pride in his car, as a community thing. Mike wound up going to the University of Hawaii, and came back to try to run the family business after his fathers death. Unfortunately, when it came to actually earning his own way in life, Mike was pretty much a failure. He ran the chain into the ground and it filed BK, and was sold at liquidation...to a couple other friends of mine.

The big question is, obviously his father wanted only the best for his kids, and "others" were giving their kids expensive stuff, and the dad earned his riches as a self-made millionaire. So why not shower his family with the best...hell he could afford it.

But what affect did this have on Mike? Did it screw him up? Or was he simply not the aggressive individual his dad was?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652678 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:50:50 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652669 jig :
said by No_Strings See Profile :

My first car was a '59 Fiat that my brother and I ran around in our field when I was 14. Working on a farm all through high school, I was driving all kinds of mechanized contraptions. Getting a license seemed like a pointless formality.
68 bug here, and in northern NV. bugs have just enough clearance to go from Carson City to Incline village without using a paved road (but i'm not doing that ever again).

It's hard to find space around here to give them some time behind the wheel. I'm also trying to teach both of them (younger one is 14) to drive a stick, but the S4 isn't very accommodating for beginners.
there are a few dry lake beds as you go further east that would be great, though you may want to just rent something with a stick. also, can't you go up to el toro and toodle around the strip?

I don't get it either. Snow tires always seemed to work in the snow belt.
hmm. i can understand why someone from Ohio would never need them, but if you go much up 395 way, they are absolutely necessary. front wheel drive helps a lot, but you won't get into/out of most skiing places north of bear lake without them. even with 4wheel drive.
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I got 75 bucks from the old man. I was tickled shitless to get it, seeing as how it represented 55.5 hours of pay at the gas station I was working at. Or 234.3 gallons of regular.
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This is a bridge I too will need to cross shortly and your real-world input will be instrumental. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652593 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:14:41 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652571 No_Strings : Are you kidding? I'm hoping I haven't scarred him permanently by buying a Japanese cheapo instead of a 3 series like all his friends are driving.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652571 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:04:32 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652540 CurtesyFlush : Took the words raht outta mah tater trap. I don't get the whole new thing either.
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What is the justification for a new car...or any car at all? I skimmed through the Scion, Civic, or... thread, but it seemed you had made up your mind that another car was going to occupy the driveway. Also, I am making some assumptions (feel free to correct where applicable) ; basically your son is 16, and has not graduated High School (going into the 11th or 12th?) , That he has no financial responsibility for this vehicle (acquisition cost/payments, Insurance) other than fuel, and he has not signed on with the Milwaukee Brewers farm club yet. So the Scion is effectively a gift right?

How do you square (balance?) earning "ones own" as a character building process, against providing the "better things in life" for your children? Both approaches have their advantages and disadvantages.

My son has already approached me suggesting I replace the 2000 Focus with...an Audi (...of all things :() that he can drive next year. I told him that Desert Audi will sell him any car on their lot if he has the money to pay for it. He earns some pocket change washing some neighbors cars, weeding flower beds, and performing garage clean ups. But even here, I have to stay on top of him to do that.

I know he will need transportation as he already is driving me nuts with his transport request. (Now I will give him a few bucks to catch the bus). My gut is to give him access to the Focus, and like Jack...it WILL be in need of repair at 200K miles [betcha' didn't think any American car could ever get there]. And let him spend his earned money fixing the car. That's how I had to do it. I don't think you had it much different.

On the other hand, a car is nothing more than utilitarian now-a-days. It's really not much more than a glorified bicycle in that its functionality is to get one from point A to point B. However There is a social pecking order, especially at the High School level, and a beat down hooptie won't score well with the chicks. So $20K will buy a lot of prestige for an 11th grader and isn't my kid worth it? Plus momma will lobby for something extremely reliable and safe (even though she ain't coming outta' pocket either).

So...how did you come to this decision?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652510 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:41:00 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652385 spg : Tire chains and snow tires offer the best combination for traction. Regular tires & chains outperform just snow tires.

For most of us chains will do just fine because for the most part we only occasionally encounter snow. Unless you live in the Sierras or Cascades chances are you probably wouldn't know what a snow tire is.

When the CHP says put chains on they can see immediately if you're in compliance. They don't have to verify snow tires or argue with people who say they have M+S tires. Besides, lets face it; the vast majority of us need all the help we can get in the snow. We live for the beach remember? When I moved here they assured me I'd have beach front property........someday!
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Mrs. Anderson (Joanne I think).

Long brown hair and glasses.

I got into science because of her.
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said by ghostpainter See Profile :

Just how old is your oldest son. My dad taught me how to drive when I was 12 up on Baldy in 3 feet of snow with no chains.
He's 16.

My first car was a '59 Fiat that my brother and I ran around in our field when I was 14. Working on a farm all through high school, I was driving all kinds of mechanized contraptions. Getting a license seemed like a pointless formality.

It's hard to find space around here to give them some time behind the wheel. I'm also trying to teach both of them (younger one is 14) to drive a stick, but the S4 isn't very accommodating for beginners.

said by HappyBunny See Profile :

Would someone explain the purpose of chains to me?
I don't get it either. Snow tires always seemed to work in the snow belt. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651972 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:51:35 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651885 ghostpainter : I have found that chains dont help on steep Mountain roads, but they are good for keeping a good grip on the two freeway passes we have unless the rain freeze's before the snow falls.

But the CHP will shut the roads down. The entire time I lived in Running Springs I never had chains but I did have snow tires.

Up in Montana and south Dakota, I never put on chains even if traveling in a blizzard as long as Ice wasn't forming.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651885 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:27:29 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651844 HappyBunny : Would someone explain the purpose of chains to me? All the years I lived in Ohio and drove in some pretty hideous conditions (ice storms, blizzards where you weren't even sure you were still on the road) and never had any chains. Is it because of the incline up in the mountains? Or is it some sort of mysterious California Thing? Because snowy roads do not automatically require them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651844 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:17:23 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651795 ghostpainter : My first car was a 56 Mercury that dropped its rods all over the San Bernardino Fry in Montclare at 3:am in the morning and I had to call my dad to come and get us.

Just how old is your oldest son. My dad taught me how to drive when I was 12 up on Baldy in 3 feet of snow with no chains. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651795 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:06:10 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651731 sholling : Oh oh bumper cars in the OC. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651731 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:51:17 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651649 No_Strings : Scion tC. It was more than $50.
»Re: Scion, Civic or ...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651649 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:31:04 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651591 CurtesyFlush : What does he drive? My grandfather bought me a 50 dollar '53 Ford pickup that didn't run, then told me if I wanted to drive it I had to get it going myself. Those skills came in handy later in life.

Of course, we didn't have an HOA telling us what we could and couldn't do in our driveways back then...
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Also, I would like to congratulate him in my own special way. If you could, please PM me his email or mailing address, and I will put together a colorful montage of your (Good 'ol Dad's) posting history regarding driving far beyond the speed limits.

I think he will be inspired! :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649710 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:00:41 EDT Re: More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649697 CatSnak : Well just keep him up there!!! ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649697 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:57:30 EDT More Malfeasance in Sacramento http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649670 No_Strings : (As if we needed another example.)

My eldest son is now licensed by the state of California to operate a motor vehicle.

Clearly, our government is broken.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22649670 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:48:47 EDT