N3OGH
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Meet the new boss same worse than the old boss...
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BillRoland
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| said by N3OGH  :Meet the new boss same worse than the old boss... No kidding. Want to take any bets on the lack of outrage there will be over this?
Trust the dear leader, he knows whats best for all of us.
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Chiyo
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| Hmm change mister Obama was the slogan of your campaign so far I've seen little. I'm still happy I didn't vote for you sir Ron Paul 2012.
We'll see how many more slipperly slopes Obama takes the US down. Heck maybe soon we'll be at war with North Korea.
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TamaraB
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How is that? This is a move to monitor Government agencies, NOT the public the way the previous boss dictator did.
The government has no inherent right to privacy in most circumstances. This is a move towards Gov transparency, and monitoring possible corruption with "contractors".
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Noah Vail
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Now our government will own our great-grandchildren; body AND soul.
Thanks O'Bama Voters
for continuing the exact same legacy
that had you frothing with hate
only 12 months ago.
NV
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knightmb
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said by BillRoland :said by N3OGH :Meet the new boss same worse than the old boss... No kidding. Want to take any bets on the lack of outrage there will be over this? Trust the dear leader, he knows whats best for all of us. Perhaps, though this summary is a little different because it's talking about the data between the government networks and everyone else basically.
That actually makes sense because most of the "hacking" that takes place in business is from within, same as with this country. To worry about a bunch of hackers from China or Russia is one thing, but if you don't pay attention within, countries are often destroyed from within.
So yeah, it's Big Brother sitting between the government networks and us. I'm actually fine with that. The only problem I have is when big brother is sitting between Us and Us again. That's where I draw the line.
So it's a double-edge sword. I want the government to be diligent in not setting up some awesome monitoring data center for it's network and the rest of the world but ignoring our own networks within. But at the same time, I don't want some dip*hit to able to abuse access by stepping into the private sector networks just to get back at his girlfriend or to help his buddies at XYZ corporation spy on a competing company.
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knightmb
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said by Noah Vail :Now our government will own our great-grandchildren; body AND soul. Thanks O'Bama Voters for continuing the exact same legacy that had you frothing with hate only 12 months ago. NV Proud of it as much as you were if/when you voted for Bush or McCain. So if McCain had won, would it be us typing the same thing but reverse the "Thanks McCain Voters" instead?
When you build the alternate quantum universe machine so we can view alternate realities to see what would be happening if someone had won for President let us know. Otherwise you are just pissing face first into the wind as far as the rest of us are concerned. 
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Each time a private citizen visited a "dot-gov" Web site or sent an e-mail to a civilian government employee, that action would be screened for potential harm to the network. This is a good thing and should have happened long ago. Should the government not be allowed to protect its infrastructure from threats? |
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Noah Vail
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said by TamaraB :How is that? This is a move to monitor Government agencies, NOT the public the way the previous boss dictator did. The government has no inherent right to privacy in most circumstances. This is a move towards Gov transparency, and monitoring possible corruption with "contractors". Bob Now, O'Bama went to the bother to actually attend the vote for NSA Data mining (aka Telecom immunity) and give it his endorsement. Likewise he's made no effort to hamper the NSA's efforts to collect our data in any way.
So the efforts to gain complete data collections on US citizens continues on as planned.
But what you're saying is
that this data created by US citizens,
that will be storehoused forever,
isn't part of an effort to gather data on US citizens.
Why? Because it's being put to another purpose at the moment.
That sure does sound a whole lot like BOb voter speak to me.
NV
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Noah Vail
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said by knightmb :said by Noah Vail :Now our government will own our great-grandchildren; body AND soul. Thanks O'Bama Voters for continuing the exact same legacy that had you frothing with hate only 12 months ago. NV Proud of it as much as you were if/when you voted for Bush or McCain. So if McCain had won, would it be us typing the same thing but reverse the "Thanks McCain Voters" instead? No. I would condemn it as loudly as I DID when Bush was president.
I will continue to lay the beginnings
of the destruction of our liberty
at his feet as well - this NSA program being the whole of it.
But O'Bama continues to violate his apparent ideology by supporting the eventual end of an individuals sovereignty.
I'm part of a huge group of Bush voters who condemn him over this. But to OBots, the future of their grandchildren is a fair price for having their Golden God anchored in place.
NV
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Here, I'll go one more for you
and Condemn Conservative Christians
who wouldn't utter a peep
while their Conservative President
laid a vital stone in place,
to aid in the coming of The Beast.
NV
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said by BillRoland :said by N3OGH :Meet the new boss same worse than the old boss... No kidding. Want to take any bets on the lack of outrage there will be over this? Trust the dear leader, he knows whats best for all of us. If Obama does it, it is all for the good of the citizens.  When Bush did it it was evil. The majority of the press is in Obama's pocket. They are nothing but paid shills for the Democratic party.
With that said I see nothing wrong with the NSA monitoring traffic to .Gov web sites in order to prevent cyber-attacks by enemies of the US. But at least I am consistent in my beliefs. I supported this under Bush and I support it now. But it is hard not to see the hypocrisy of the left in this matter.
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r81984
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said by N3OGH :Meet the new boss same worse than the old boss... Actually this is nothing like what Bush was doing.
Bush spied on every American for no reason except he could.
From what I just read at the top of the page Obama is basically monitoring all communications for government business. If you do not want to be spied on by the government then do not do business with them.
This is no different than a company recording all communications they have with their customers and contractors.
If the government wants to spy on themselves then who really cares, now if they want to do what Bush did and spy on any American for no reason then I will be worried.
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r81984
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said by Noah Vail :Now our government will own our great-grandchildren; body AND soul. Thanks O'Bama Voters for continuing the exact same legacy that had you frothing with hate only 12 months ago. NV If you read at the top of the page they are basically going to "spy" on anyone doing business with the government.
They have every right to do that just as any company can record the communications their employees make.
Now if you show me an article where he is going to spy on Americans for no reason like Bush did then I will be worried.
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if i ever won that powerball i would run for prsident.i really would and you what i am poor and an artist.tons of young folks would definately vote for a cool 53 year old original 1970's era punk rocker who still plays punk and has bright red hair.
and i would definately CHANGE things................
i did vote for NOBAMA as i could not vote for PALIN with McCain and wanted to let Deomocrats in as we had enough of the Republicans.
But in the end for me I do hate both of these parties and always seem to vote for the or what i think is the "lesser of the 2 evils". |
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Noah Vail
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said by r81984 :said by Noah Vail :Now our government will own our great-grandchildren; body AND soul. Thanks O'Bama Voters for continuing the exact same legacy that had you frothing with hate only 12 months ago. NV If you read at the top of the page they are basically going to "spy" on anyone doing business with the government. They have every right to do that just as any company can record the communications their employees make. Now if you show me an article where he is going to spy on Americans for no reason like Bush did then I will be worried. I guess the hundreds of posts in DSLR that establish just that weren't enough to convince you.
So here's one more that also won't convince you. That's because it's full of reminders of what you already know.
»Re: Meet the new boss
It isn't about what you learn, after all. It's about what's important to you.
NV
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battleop
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Good to see that you comprehend what you read. This has NOTHING to do with spying on citizens. They are spying on their own network at it's borders. |
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said by Chiyo :Hmm change mister Obama was the slogan of your campaign so far I've seen little. I'm still happy I didn't vote for you sir Ron Paul 2012. We'll see how many more slipperly slopes Obama takes the US down. Heck maybe soon we'll be at war with North Korea. If that doddering old fuck McCain had been elected, I'm confident you could remove the uncertainty from your parting sentence...
This is the message I want to see acted upon;
Stop the wars, and bring our troops home! NOW! |
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r81984
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said by Noah Vail :said by r81984 :said by Noah Vail :Now our government will own our great-grandchildren; body AND soul. Thanks O'Bama Voters for continuing the exact same legacy that had you frothing with hate only 12 months ago. NV If you read at the top of the page they are basically going to "spy" on anyone doing business with the government. They have every right to do that just as any company can record the communications their employees make. Now if you show me an article where he is going to spy on Americans for no reason like Bush did then I will be worried. I guess the hundreds of posts in DSLR that establish just that weren't enough to convince you. So here's one more that also won't convince you. That's because it's full of reminders of what you already know. » Re: Meet the new bossIt isn't about what you learn, after all. It's about what's important to you. NV You are off topic.
The claims you make in the previous post please cite your sources.
Either way this article is not about anything that would be viewed as bad.
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said by r81984 :said by N3OGH :Meet the new boss same worse than the old boss... Actually this is nothing like what Bush was doing. Bush spied on every American for no reason except he could. From what I just read at the top of the page Obama is basically monitoring all communications for government business. If you do not want to be spied on by the government then do not do business with them. This is no different than a company recording all communications they have with their customers and contractors. If the government wants to spy on themselves then who really cares, now if they want to do what Bush did and spy on any American for no reason then I will be worried. No, he didn't "spy on every American".
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r81984
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1 edit | said by Time :said by r81984 :said by N3OGH :Meet the new boss same worse than the old boss... Actually this is nothing like what Bush was doing. Bush spied on every American for no reason except he could. From what I just read at the top of the page Obama is basically monitoring all communications for government business. If you do not want to be spied on by the government then do not do business with them. This is no different than a company recording all communications they have with their customers and contractors. If the government wants to spy on themselves then who really cares, now if they want to do what Bush did and spy on any American for no reason then I will be worried. No, he didn't "spy on every American". I am not Canadian. I have been here for 1 month.
I am a conservative that voted for the most conservative candidate which in the last election was Obama.
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