Wolfie00
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said by Devanchya  :Geeze, can i use this law please. We had a house party down the road 2 days ago with the kids going everywhere... to bad some of them were obviously over 16. Don't worry, SS-Obergruppenfuhrer Fantino will soon lobby for a new law where "under 16" becomes "everybody", and house parties will become illegal in case the party-goers might be conspiring a putsch to overthrow the regime. 
I just hope the SS-Obergruppenfuhrer's thugs don't taser or shoot those kids when they're on their way into "custody".
BTW, parties are allowed in a free society, but unreasonable noise late at night is not. This is another example of muddled values, because problems like that can be dealt with through existing laws, and I for one greatly value the privilege of living in a free society. Or at least it was, pre-Fantino.
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| said by Wolfie00 :Don't worry, SS-Obergruppenfuhrer Fantino will soon lobby for a new law where "under 16" becomes "everybody", and house parties will become illegal in case the party-goers might be conspiring a putsch to overthrow the regime. I just hope the SS-Obergruppenfuhrer's thugs don't taser or shoot those kids when they're on their way into "custody". BTW, parties are allowed in a free society, but unreasonable noise late at night is not. This is another example of muddled values, because problems like that can be dealt with through existing laws, and I for one greatly value the privilege of living in a free society. Or at least it was, pre-Fantino. Didn't you just defeat your own argument? This isn't a new law.
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Wolfie00
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| said by Thingamajig :said by Wolfie00 :Don't worry, SS-Obergruppenfuhrer Fantino will soon lobby for a new law where "under 16" becomes "everybody", and house parties will become illegal in case the party-goers might be conspiring a putsch to overthrow the regime. I just hope the SS-Obergruppenfuhrer's thugs don't taser or shoot those kids when they're on their way into "custody". BTW, parties are allowed in a free society, but unreasonable noise late at night is not. This is another example of muddled values, because problems like that can be dealt with through existing laws, and I for one greatly value the privilege of living in a free society. Or at least it was, pre-Fantino. Didn't you just defeat your own argument? This isn't a new law. Not stated very well, perhaps -- I thought it was clear that I was saying that this bad law, like other bad laws of the same ilk (racing and stunt driving) were enacted as unjustifiably pre-emptive laws of convenience in the existence of already adequate statutes, and serve merely to facilitate enforcement. That is a dangerous path to start down from a civil rights standpoint.
A key question that an appellate court could or should look at is this. What is the more serious social evil, that a juvenile offender potentially escapes conviction for lack of evidence, or that an innocent juvenile who committed no offense is treated as guilty? I think the answer, as embodied in our constitutional principles, is quite clear to anyone who gives it calm and reasonable consideration.
That said, the statute in question here is somewhat borderline as there are also issues of child welfare and protection being addressed (although that is sure as hell not what Fantino is concerned about). At best it's a borderline law that has some arguable benefit -- and so one of the issues here is that a law that most police officers would be better off ignoring in the vast majority of cases has suddenly captured the overzealous attention of SS-Obergruppenfuhrer Fantino. It's the combination of a borderline law ruthlessly enforced by a fanatic that is so dangerous.
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said by Wolfie00 :Don't worry, SS-Obergruppenfuhrer Fantino will soon lobby for a new law where "under 16" becomes "everybody" I just hope the SS-Obergruppenfuhrer's thugs don't taser or shoot »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
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