[video] Freight train VS Tornado in 56k Lookout (Broadband Heavy)

[video] Freight train VS Tornado in 56k Lookout (Broadband Heavy) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22651572 en Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:58:38 EDT Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:58:38 EDT Re: [video] Freight train VS Tornado http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22800999 Kearnstd : i take it some of the sparking was also the brakes being auto applied when air pressure was lost due to being severed from the loco.
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It's true!!! A tornado DOES sound like a freight train....... :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22727385 Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:15:30 EDT Re: [video] Freight train VS Tornado http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22716320 Vamp :

said by truck562

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Wow, crazy stuff. Almost expected an explosion when the tank car came up on the engine.

Yeah me too, I seen those cars coming up and was like "holy shit" thinking about all that weight rolling up that fast. Looks like it deflected most of the impact.

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said by jrock444

said by Rich84 :

That wasn't a tornado. It's winter time. Look at the trees, there are no leaves.

Not that being in Florida makes a difference, but we had a tornado outbreak that was on Christmas Eve!!!!

I remember that as the headline of the newspaper the next day was "Twistmas"
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»www.crh.noaa.gov/lot/?n=20080107tor

EF-2 Tornado, northern IL, 1/7/08

Good call on the winter observation!
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All hail JoePa]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22689162 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:47:58 EDT Re: [video] Freight train VS Tornado http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22673982 Smatchimo : they were fully loaded? why the hostility? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22673982 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:44:53 EDT Re: [video] Freight train VS Tornado http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22666448 ixNay : Here is a story of train cars blown off the tracks.
»gcdailyworld.com/story/1548359.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22666448 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:48:03 EDT Re: [video] Freight train VS Tornado http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22661855 michigandave : Very possible. The wind and debris seem to be coming from the right and blowing to the left throughout the entire video. If it was a tornado one would think there would be more swirling of debris or changing direction of wind.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22661855 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:59:22 EDT Re: [video] Freight train VS Tornado http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22659706 ProtusMose : That's a plausible possibility I hadn't though of. A micro burst would have the energy potential to do this. Windspeed of 150mph+

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microburst

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Same thing happened in the 1974 Xenia Ohio F-5. Portion of a freight train was picked up off the tracks and deposited a short distance away on buildings. Engineer perished, if I recall.
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All hail JoePa]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22659123 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:44:30 EDT Re: [video] Freight train VS Tornado http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22659103 DownTheShore : Just wondered why the engineer didn't slow down or stop if he saw a tornado up ahead, rather than just keep barreling into the area...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22659103 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:38:00 EDT Re: [video] Freight train VS Tornado http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22658968 michigandave : All this over a simple and sweet video of a train falling down. :D
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22658968 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:45:27 EDT Re: [video] Freight train VS Tornado http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22658869 michigandave : Let me respond to a couple of posts made in this thread.

One link I found states that a minimum wind speed of 125mph will derail a train which would rate as a EF2 tornado minimum. One train in China derailed from ~90mph winds. Hartley, Texas May 2004 a F0 tornado derailed 15 cars of a train.

Now, going off of CSX's website, their dimension of their largest boxcar is roughly ~67' 7" L x ~13' 0" H (100 ton rating). The best weight of an empty boxcar of this size I could find is around 31 tons.

Going with a 100mph wind and the dimensions of a 100 ton boxcar, the profile of the boxcar would encounter a wind load of around 12 tons. 125mph (EF2 tornado) winds would put a wind load of around 19 tons.

Not an engineer -train driver or otherwise- but I suspect 12 tons of wind pressure pushing on the entire side profile of an empty 31 ton car would being about some serious consequences considering the higher center of gravity and that the car is supported by 4 wheels that contact the rails at a theoretical point of tangency. And this is at minimum speeds found in straight-line winds or EF0-EF1 tornadoes.

Sure there are tons of variables that can be kicked around like type of car, the load it was carrying, etc but the point I am trying to make is that is probably doesn't take a lot to push over an empty car. Not knowing the location or date I can't find any information of what this train encountered. Straight line winds or tornado (and at what rating)?

Watching the video, at 1:00-1:03 it appears the trees on the right are toppling over on top of the train. I believe around 1:10 the car in view is pulled down by the cars behind it already being dragged along the side of the road grade. Wind load already in factor, it makes me wonder if the trees are actually falling over, and if so, what role that played into the derailment.

Just thinking out loud........bash away.

ADD: It's obvious the train derailed somewhere in the middle of the train. The cars that are blown over are being dragged by the cars in front of it but the cars behind it aren't as affected by the derailment in front of them since the kinetic energy just pushes any derailed cars partially in it's path out of the way. The cylindrical car wasn't affected by wind load nearly as much as the wind travels around the car more easily. It wasn't the weakest link in the derailment and simply pushed through the toppled cars. The point of derailment was highly localized and toppling winds affected only the area of the coal cars and/or the cars behind are loaded with freight thus more resistant to perpendicular wind load.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22658869 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:22:33 EDT Re: [video] Freight train VS Tornado http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22658356 Mats :

said by Smatchimo

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it only "derailed" because it blew over. its a giant box, not exactly aerodynamic....

No shit. And it was more than just a gust of wind.

said by Smatchimo

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notice how the tank car had no problem going onward? if the whole train was cylindrical it wouldn't have happened.

You couldnt be more wrong. Yes the tank kept going forward. How do you explain why the box cars behind the tank car kept going forward as well?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22658356 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:07:55 EDT Re: [video] Freight train VS Tornado http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22658293 IllIlIlllIll : looks like the cars behind the camera got toppled over as i hear the engineer release the brakes before the car in the camera view starts to topple over
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Granted I'm no engineering major; however, I'd love to know how strong of a "gust of wind" it takes to blow over 180,000 lbs.

A 1,000 sq ft house weighs about 60 tons. Do you think if sat up on a 5 foot platform a strong gust of wind could toss it off?
*edited to change bow to blow*
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said by captokita

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Didn't look like a tornado - strong gust of wind perhaps, but it didn't look like a tornado. Pretty impressive though!

Strong gust of wind? Look at the trees in the background around a minute into the video.

Something a lil more happened than a strong gust of wind. Especially since it caused the train to derail.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655903 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:41:18 EDT Re: [video] Freight train VS Tornado http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655830 captokita : Didn't look like a tornado - strong gust of wind perhaps, but it didn't look like a tornado. Pretty impressive though! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655830 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:59:57 EDT Re: [video] Freight train VS Tornado http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654117 Jeffrey : I got surprised twice there. I didn't think as Tornado could really lift a train of the tracks. Second, I forgot about the rest of the momentum from the cars that didn't get derailed---that tanker coming up quick looked scary.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654117 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:52:49 EDT Re: [video] Freight train VS Tornado http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653613 VioletVenom : National Geo channel actually had a show on that outbreak, I caught it a few weeks ago. Wasn't only Arkansas that got nailed... "On February 5th 2008 Super Tuesday 57 people lost their lives as 87 tornadoes devastated 5 states. It was Americas deadliest tornado outbreak in nearly a quarter of a century."

»channel.nationalgeographic.com/e···Overview]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653613 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:18:06 EDT Re: [video] Freight train VS Tornado http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652894 N10Cities :

said by Rich84 :

That wasn't a tornado. It's winter time. Look at the trees, there are no leaves.

I usually ignore anon posts, but at least here in Arkansas, tornadoes are quite frequent in the winter months.

Here is a link to an NWS page about a large tornado outbreak on Feb 5 2008 in Arkansas that unfortunately killled several people....

»www.srh.noaa.gov/lzk/?n=svr0208.htm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652894 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 05:07:11 EDT Re: [video] Freight train VS Tornado http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652235 jrock444 :

said by Rich84 :

That wasn't a tornado. It's winter time. Look at the trees, there are no leaves.

I don't know if what happens in the video is due to a tornado or not.

However, tornadoes occur during every month of the year. I can remember as a kid spending one christmas eve in the storm cellar because of tornado warnings. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652235 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:08:14 EDT Re: [video] Freight train VS Tornado http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652125 anon : That wasn't a tornado. It's winter time. Look at the trees, there are no leaves.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652125 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:45:45 EDT Re: [video] Freight train VS Tornado http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652034 truck562 : Wow, crazy stuff. Almost expected an explosion when the tank car came up on the engine.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22652034 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:13:34 EDT Re: [video] Freight train VS Tornado http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651902 ProtusMose : Tornado 1 - Freight Train 0]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651902 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:34:07 EDT Re: [video] Freight train VS Tornado http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651841 jrock444 : ummmmm.....

WOW

:o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651841 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:16:17 EDT Re: [video] Freight train VS Tornado http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651618 DataDoc : Cool.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651618 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:24:34 EDT [video] Freight train VS Tornado http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22651572 IllIlIlllIll : »www.liveleak.com/view?i=82d_1246651100
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