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BlitzenZeus
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Beaverton, OR | Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries "For your low-drain products choose LongLife batteries. Zinc-Chloride technology is perfect for your clocks, radios, calculators and remote controls."
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| Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries Wow not even Philips knows what is in the batteries? Zinc-Chloride? The ones I'm looking at say Zinc-Carbon 1.5V with nothing on the packaging that states your quote, where ever that came from.
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| Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries said by BlitzenZeus  :Try googling "Philips long life batteries" Your counter argument, not mine, why should I have to do your work? Even then, why is it not stated on the packaging? How is it the company that put their name on these batteries not even know what is in them?
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| You seriously spent more effort not doing it than just doing it... lol 
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc-carbon_battery
"A zinc-carbon dry cell or battery is packaged in a zinc can that serves as both a container and anode. It was developed from the wet Leclanché cell (pronounced /lÉ›klÉ‘Ënˈʃeɪ/). The cathode is a mixture of manganese dioxide and carbon powder. The electrolyte is a paste of zinc chloride and ammonium chloride dissolved in water. Zinc chloride cells are an improved version from the original ammonium chloride variety. Zinc-carbon batteries are the least expensive primary batteries and thus a popular choice by manufacturers when devices are sold with batteries included. They can be used in remote controls, flashlights, toys, or transistor radios, where the power drain is not too heavy."
"The (heavy duty) zinc chloride cell is an improvement on the original zinc-carbon cell, using purer chemicals and giving a longer life and steadier voltage output as it is used. Instead of an electrolyte mixture containing much NH4Cl, it is largely only ZnCl2 paste."
»www.consumer.philips.com/consume···6LS4A-27
You were better off buying alkaline, or li-ion batteries.
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1 edit | Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries Why do you think I want to know what is in that battery when my question was why doesn't Philips know? Yet again you put up a quote about Zinc-Chloride, these are Zinc-Carbon, again telling me Philips has no clue what they are selling.
Also again, why was it's intended use not stated on the packaging like any other brand does?
So, what good would Googling "Philips long life batteries" do for me again? 
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1 edit | Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries said by Cthen :Why do you think I want to know what is in that battery when my question was why doesn't Philips know? Yet again you put up a quote about Zinc-Chloride, these are Zinc-Carbon, again telling me Philips has no clue what they are selling. Also again, why was it's intended use not stated on the packaging like any other brand does? So, what good would Googling "Philips long life batteries" do for me again? Read the damn links, all the information is on zinc carbon batteries, but you can't bother yourself to read this information, which I feel would also be on the back of their packaging. It was all over their website also.... You seem oblivous to reality...
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| Look at philips tvs and dvd players. look how cheap and flimsy they are. todays philips isn't your grandfathers philips where quality actually meant something.
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I bet if you look at the packaging, you'll see "made in china" somewhere on it.
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| Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries said by dvd536 :I bet if you look at the packaging, you'll see "made in china" somewhere on it. I don't see how "made in china" come in? It is a Philips brand. Philips put its name on it, Philips is responsible for it. Cthen, can you look at the package for the country of origin?
Does an American-built Toyota is different in quality than a Japanese-built one? | |
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| Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries said by Langning :said by dvd536 :I bet if you look at the packaging, you'll see "made in china" somewhere on it. Does an American-built Toyota is different in quality than a Japanese-built one? That would equate to yugo buying the toyota name and slapping the name on a pos yugo. shit whatever you call it is still shit.
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clubs: | Bottom line -- OP used low-power batteries intended for low-load devices in a high-load device and now is upset they didn't perform very well.
We've got a 12 o'clock flasher here. | |
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| Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries said by sivran :Bottom line -- OP used low-power batteries intended for low-load devices in a high-load device and now is upset they didn't perform very well. We've got a 12 o'clock flasher here. Perfectly said. Succinct and accurate! USER ERROR!
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| Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries said by r81984 :said by sivran :Bottom line -- OP used low-power batteries intended for low-load devices in a high-load device and now is upset they didn't perform very well. We've got a 12 o'clock flasher here. So the batteries are only long life when used in a low powered device?? So basically they are regular batteries being advertised for low powered devices using a deceptive slogan of saying long life. I think it's pretty clear. USE THE PRODUCT AS IT WAS INTENDED AND CLEARLY MARKED, and they will last longer than standard batteries.
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| said by r81984 :said by sivran :Bottom line -- OP used low-power batteries intended for low-load devices in a high-load device and now is upset they didn't perform very well. We've got a 12 o'clock flasher here. So the batteries are only long life when used in a low powered device?? So basically they are regular batteries being advertised for low powered devices using a deceptive slogan of saying long life. I've had so called 'dead batteries' last years in remote controls.
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| Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries ive had alkaline batteries last in a atomic clock (weather etc) for a good 2 years . in another supposedly Superior clock they lasted a month. ive just had to replace the batteries in my dvd recorder remote, i baught it 3 years ago and used the philips brand batteries that came with it.
its all about the device and what its pull on the batteries are.
i have a thermometer/alarm on the fridge/freezer the freezer module will last maybe a month with alkaline batteries. i started using those very expensive lithium batteries in it and so far its been about a year.
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| said by dvd536 :I've had so called 'dead batteries' last years in remote controls. Frankly, I thought everyone rotated nearly-dead batteries into low-drain devices like remotes and clocks to eke out whatever power was left. What, is this behavior considered out-of-the-ordinary now?
I understand that the OP may have effed up by using batteries that were designed for a low-drain device in a (comparatively) high-drain device like a beard trimmer. What I don't understand is: why is Phillips even bothering to market a battery that is only meant to be used in "clocks, radios, calculators, and remote controls?" I mean, are these "low-drain device" batteries that much cheaper than run-of-the-mill AAs and AAAs you can pick up for fifty cents a throw?
Seriously, this kind of battery is a new one on me and, unless there's a significant cost savings involved, I just don't see the point.
It sounds like, with this new type of battery, I have to pay attention to what type of device I use it in. Not to sound like a 'tard or anything, but that's just way too much work for me. Maybe I'm the only one, but I don't have time to play games: I want to shove batteries into something and have it operate.
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| Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries Not exactly new, just relabeled, they are the same cheap batteries you find included with many low drain devices for years, if the manufacturer wasn't too cheap to include them. While the 'long life' label label hinted at one thing, but I'm sure the price hinted at another. They have their use, just like there are special 9 volt batteries for smoke alarms, well.... that is all they are really good for anymore anyway.
I either buy rechargeables, or the cheap packs of bulk alkaline for most devices. I find rechargables start going bad after 1-2 years even with proper draining, and charging, so they end up being around the cost of the bulk alkaline anyway. Lithium batteries are quite nice, while they last the longest in high drain devices, and last next to forever in low drain devices, they are just the most expensive.
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1 edit | Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries said by BlitzenZeus :Not exactly new, just relabeled, they are the same cheap batteries you find included with many low drain devices for years, if the manufacturer wasn't too cheap to include them. While the 'long life' label label hinted at one thing, but I'm sure the price hinted at another. Ah, I get it: these "new" batteries are simply a relabeling gimmick. Say no more.
Your post got me thinking of the old (N)EverReady silver "Heavy Duty" AA batteries. You know, the silver-colored ones with the cat on them?
ETA: here we go:
»airrifleaccessories.co.uk/images···Y-AA.jpg
Those batteries were/are a joke, but I can see using them in some remote you don't particularly care about if you really wanted to nickel-and-dime like that. However, as much of a cheapass as I am, I still think it's easier to simply use nearly-dead alkalines for those low-drain kinds of applications. [shrugs]
I'm with you on the bulk alkalines. Rechargeables are a good idea if you're disciplined enough to keep them charged, but as for me, I just want a power source I can grab and shove into something without having to ask myself if it's been fully charged or not.
I guess batteries, unlike computers, are something I expect to yield an angst-free user experience.
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| Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries EverReady LMAO! I remember them. That cheezy red cat right? When I was a kid I thought they must be the best because they had a cat and I think it was jumping through an electric volt or something of the sort.
Just goes to show you what marketing does.
Speaking of marketing, I have absolutely no scientific proof of whether, all things being equal, a standard duracell lasts longer than a standard energizer. But that black and gold color just makes me think "more powerful". Not sure why but I always go for them...
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| Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries said by fishacura :EverReady LMAO! I remember them. That cheezy red cat right? When I was a kid I thought they must be the best because they had a cat and I think it was jumping through an electric volt or something of the sort. I was always impressed by the words "heavy duty." Until, of course, I learned that there is no actual standard for "heavy duty" batteries and any old manufacturer can put those words on their batteries. Including those dodgy Asian hole-in-the-wall battery manufacturers we all know and love ("Always Ready" batteries anyone?).
said by fishacura :Just goes to show you what marketing does. Totally.
If I understand correctly, all of the alkaline batteries on the market are parity products (i.e. one battery offers no real advantage over another). The only batteries that might make sense spending more money on are some of the relatively expensive specialized "high-drain" batteries (e.g. the Duracell Ultras) aimed at, say, flash-wielding photographers, and that are priced at least 3x what regular alkalines are. Those prices are really only worth paying if you can't/don't want to take the time to swap out batteries for some reason (e.g. you're a wedding photographer). Under those circumstances, they might actually be worth the premium price.
said by fishacura :Speaking of marketing, I have absolutely no scientific proof of whether, all things being equal, a standard duracell lasts longer than a standard energizer. But that black and gold color just makes me think "more powerful". Not sure why but I always go for them... For reasons doubtless best understood by modern psychiatry, I feel exactly the same way. The only thing I can think of is that copper is an attractive color to some folks. [shrugs]
Of course, being a total cheapass, I only stop to admire the Duracells briefly ("Lookit the pretty batteries!") on my way to scoop up those cheapskate special 30-battery Ray-O-Vac packs.
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| Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries said by Anonymous_ :just get rechargables Rechargables don't last very long in hi drain devices.
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| Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries They still do not make li-ion in standard sizes, and voltages. They are hobby kit/appliance batteries which can destroy normal devices usually....
»www.batteryjunction.com/li14reaasi38.html
So... Care to provide us with a link to li-ion batteries that use standard sizes, and voltages?? | |
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| Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries said by BlitzenZeus :They still do not make li-ion in standard sizes, and voltages. They are hobby kit/appliance batteries which can destroy normal devices usually.... » www.batteryjunction.com/li14reaasi38.htmlSo... Care to provide us with a link to li-ion batteries that use standard sizes, and voltages?? very dumb question here, but im just thinking. dont mind me. that battery is stated as AA 3.6V wouldnt it theroetically be possible to use this single battery and place a shunt in the seccond battery space allowing its use? but then again, it says its only 800mAh, and i have a set of ni-mh that are 1k mAh each. hmm. | |
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| said by Anonymous_ :said by dvd536 :said by Anonymous_ :just get rechargables Rechargables don't last very long in hi drain devices. : lithium ion does I use those E squared ones in hi drain devices.
are those lithium ion?
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| Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries said by dvd536 :I use those E squared ones in hi drain devices. are those lithium ion? I had to look up what an E squared battery was, seeing as how I had no idea what they were.
Titanium alkaline batteries, huh? I'm impressed. Although, admittedly, perhaps I shouldn't be impressed by the actual technology as much as I should be with the marketing behind the batteries.
I hate to ask other people if I should be impressed or not, but: should I be? 
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