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Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries
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dvd536
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| said by Anonymous_  :just get rechargables Rechargables don't last very long in hi drain devices.
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said by dvd536 :I've had so called 'dead batteries' last years in remote controls. Frankly, I thought everyone rotated nearly-dead batteries into low-drain devices like remotes and clocks to eke out whatever power was left. What, is this behavior considered out-of-the-ordinary now?
I understand that the OP may have effed up by using batteries that were designed for a low-drain device in a (comparatively) high-drain device like a beard trimmer. What I don't understand is: why is Phillips even bothering to market a battery that is only meant to be used in "clocks, radios, calculators, and remote controls?" I mean, are these "low-drain device" batteries that much cheaper than run-of-the-mill AAs and AAAs you can pick up for fifty cents a throw?
Seriously, this kind of battery is a new one on me and, unless there's a significant cost savings involved, I just don't see the point.
It sounds like, with this new type of battery, I have to pay attention to what type of device I use it in. Not to sound like a 'tard or anything, but that's just way too much work for me. Maybe I'm the only one, but I don't have time to play games: I want to shove batteries into something and have it operate.
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| Not exactly new, just relabeled, they are the same cheap batteries you find included with many low drain devices for years, if the manufacturer wasn't too cheap to include them. While the 'long life' label label hinted at one thing, but I'm sure the price hinted at another. They have their use, just like there are special 9 volt batteries for smoke alarms, well.... that is all they are really good for anymore anyway.
I either buy rechargeables, or the cheap packs of bulk alkaline for most devices. I find rechargables start going bad after 1-2 years even with proper draining, and charging, so they end up being around the cost of the bulk alkaline anyway. Lithium batteries are quite nice, while they last the longest in high drain devices, and last next to forever in low drain devices, they are just the most expensive.
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1 edit | said by BlitzenZeus :Not exactly new, just relabeled, they are the same cheap batteries you find included with many low drain devices for years, if the manufacturer wasn't too cheap to include them. While the 'long life' label label hinted at one thing, but I'm sure the price hinted at another. Ah, I get it: these "new" batteries are simply a relabeling gimmick. Say no more.
Your post got me thinking of the old (N)EverReady silver "Heavy Duty" AA batteries. You know, the silver-colored ones with the cat on them?
ETA: here we go:
»airrifleaccessories.co.uk/images···Y-AA.jpg
Those batteries were/are a joke, but I can see using them in some remote you don't particularly care about if you really wanted to nickel-and-dime like that. However, as much of a cheapass as I am, I still think it's easier to simply use nearly-dead alkalines for those low-drain kinds of applications. [shrugs]
I'm with you on the bulk alkalines. Rechargeables are a good idea if you're disciplined enough to keep them charged, but as for me, I just want a power source I can grab and shove into something without having to ask myself if it's been fully charged or not.
I guess batteries, unlike computers, are something I expect to yield an angst-free user experience. 
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| EverReady LMAO! I remember them. That cheezy red cat right? When I was a kid I thought they must be the best because they had a cat and I think it was jumping through an electric volt or something of the sort.
Just goes to show you what marketing does.
Speaking of marketing, I have absolutely no scientific proof of whether, all things being equal, a standard duracell lasts longer than a standard energizer. But that black and gold color just makes me think "more powerful". Not sure why but I always go for them...
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| said by fishacura :EverReady LMAO! I remember them. That cheezy red cat right? When I was a kid I thought they must be the best because they had a cat and I think it was jumping through an electric volt or something of the sort. I was always impressed by the words "heavy duty." Until, of course, I learned that there is no actual standard for "heavy duty" batteries and any old manufacturer can put those words on their batteries. Including those dodgy Asian hole-in-the-wall battery manufacturers we all know and love ("Always Ready" batteries anyone?).
said by fishacura :Just goes to show you what marketing does. Totally.
If I understand correctly, all of the alkaline batteries on the market are parity products (i.e. one battery offers no real advantage over another). The only batteries that might make sense spending more money on are some of the relatively expensive specialized "high-drain" batteries (e.g. the Duracell Ultras) aimed at, say, flash-wielding photographers, and that are priced at least 3x what regular alkalines are. Those prices are really only worth paying if you can't/don't want to take the time to swap out batteries for some reason (e.g. you're a wedding photographer). Under those circumstances, they might actually be worth the premium price.
said by fishacura :Speaking of marketing, I have absolutely no scientific proof of whether, all things being equal, a standard duracell lasts longer than a standard energizer. But that black and gold color just makes me think "more powerful". Not sure why but I always go for them... For reasons doubtless best understood by modern psychiatry, I feel exactly the same way. The only thing I can think of is that copper is an attractive color to some folks. [shrugs]
Of course, being a total cheapass, I only stop to admire the Duracells briefly ("Lookit the pretty batteries!") on my way to scoop up those cheapskate special 30-battery Ray-O-Vac packs.
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said by dvd536 :said by Anonymous_ :just get rechargables Rechargables don't last very long in hi drain devices. : lithium ion does |
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| They still do not make li-ion in standard sizes, and voltages. They are hobby kit/appliance batteries which can destroy normal devices usually....
»www.batteryjunction.com/li14reaasi38.html
So... Care to provide us with a link to li-ion batteries that use standard sizes, and voltages?? |
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said by Anonymous_ :said by dvd536 :said by Anonymous_ :just get rechargables Rechargables don't last very long in hi drain devices. : lithium ion does I use those E squared ones in hi drain devices.
are those lithium ion?
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said by BlitzenZeus :They still do not make li-ion in standard sizes, and voltages. They are hobby kit/appliance batteries which can destroy normal devices usually.... » www.batteryjunction.com/li14reaasi38.htmlSo... Care to provide us with a link to li-ion batteries that use standard sizes, and voltages?? very dumb question here, but im just thinking. dont mind me. that battery is stated as AA 3.6V wouldnt it theroetically be possible to use this single battery and place a shunt in the seccond battery space allowing its use? but then again, it says its only 800mAh, and i have a set of ni-mh that are 1k mAh each. hmm. |
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said by dvd536 :I use those E squared ones in hi drain devices. are those lithium ion? I had to look up what an E squared battery was, seeing as how I had no idea what they were.
Titanium alkaline batteries, huh? I'm impressed. Although, admittedly, perhaps I shouldn't be impressed by the actual technology as much as I should be with the marketing behind the batteries.
I hate to ask other people if I should be impressed or not, but: should I be? 
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