[Rant] Philips long life batteries in Rants, Raves, and Praise http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22653035 en Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:59:32 EDT Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:59:32 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22690006 Mr Neutron :
said by dvd536 See Profile :

I use those E squared ones in hi drain devices.
are those lithium ion?
I had to look up what an E squared battery was, seeing as how I had no idea what they were.

Titanium alkaline batteries, huh? I'm impressed. Although, admittedly, perhaps I shouldn't be impressed by the actual technology as much as I should be with the marketing behind the batteries.

I hate to ask other people if I should be impressed or not, but: should I be? :p
--
We could use the £5,000 to buy a spoon. And then fill up with ice cream.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22690006 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:44:04 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22689694 thedragonmas :
said by BlitzenZeus See Profile :

They still do not make li-ion in standard sizes, and voltages. They are hobby kit/appliance batteries which can destroy normal devices usually....
»www.batteryjunction.com/li14reaasi38.html

So... Care to provide us with a link to li-ion batteries that use standard sizes, and voltages??
very dumb question here, but im just thinking. dont mind me. that battery is stated as AA 3.6V wouldnt it theroetically be possible to use this single battery and place a shunt in the seccond battery space allowing its use? but then again, it says its only 800mAh, and i have a set of ni-mh that are 1k mAh each. hmm. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22689694 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:53:04 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22689534 dvd536 :
said by Anonymous_ See Profile :

said by dvd536 See Profile :

said by Anonymous_ See Profile :

just get rechargables
Rechargables don't last very long in hi drain devices.
: lithium ion does
I use those E squared ones in hi drain devices.
are those lithium ion?
--
When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22689534 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:07:02 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22688072 BlitzenZeus : They still do not make li-ion in standard sizes, and voltages. They are hobby kit/appliance batteries which can destroy normal devices usually....
»www.batteryjunction.com/li14reaasi38.html

So... Care to provide us with a link to li-ion batteries that use standard sizes, and voltages??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22688072 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:51:34 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22687968 Anonymous_ :
said by dvd536 See Profile :

said by Anonymous_ See Profile :

just get rechargables
Rechargables don't last very long in hi drain devices.
: lithium ion does]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22687968 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:28:43 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22684939 Mr Neutron :
said by fishacura See Profile :

EverReady LMAO! I remember them. That cheezy red cat right? When I was a kid I thought they must be the best because they had a cat and I think it was jumping through an electric volt or something of the sort.
I was always impressed by the words "heavy duty." Until, of course, I learned that there is no actual standard for "heavy duty" batteries and any old manufacturer can put those words on their batteries. Including those dodgy Asian hole-in-the-wall battery manufacturers we all know and love ("Always Ready" batteries anyone?).

said by fishacura See Profile :

Just goes to show you what marketing does.
Totally.

If I understand correctly, all of the alkaline batteries on the market are parity products (i.e. one battery offers no real advantage over another). The only batteries that might make sense spending more money on are some of the relatively expensive specialized "high-drain" batteries (e.g. the Duracell Ultras) aimed at, say, flash-wielding photographers, and that are priced at least 3x what regular alkalines are. Those prices are really only worth paying if you can't/don't want to take the time to swap out batteries for some reason (e.g. you're a wedding photographer). Under those circumstances, they might actually be worth the premium price.

said by fishacura See Profile :

Speaking of marketing, I have absolutely no scientific proof of whether, all things being equal, a standard duracell lasts longer than a standard energizer. But that black and gold color just makes me think "more powerful". Not sure why but I always go for them...
For reasons doubtless best understood by modern psychiatry, I feel exactly the same way. The only thing I can think of is that copper is an attractive color to some folks. [shrugs]

Of course, being a total cheapass, I only stop to admire the Duracells briefly ("Lookit the pretty batteries!") on my way to scoop up those cheapskate special 30-battery Ray-O-Vac packs. :)
--
We could use the £5,000 to buy a spoon. And then fill up with ice cream.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22684939 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:52:16 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22684531 fishacura : EverReady LMAO! I remember them. That cheezy red cat right? When I was a kid I thought they must be the best because they had a cat and I think it was jumping through an electric volt or something of the sort.

Just goes to show you what marketing does.

Speaking of marketing, I have absolutely no scientific proof of whether, all things being equal, a standard duracell lasts longer than a standard energizer. But that black and gold color just makes me think "more powerful". Not sure why but I always go for them...
--
People who don't get good service on average tell 10 others while people who do get good service on average tell 1.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22684531 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:38:49 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22684279 Mr Neutron :
said by BlitzenZeus See Profile :

Not exactly new, just relabeled, they are the same cheap batteries you find included with many low drain devices for years, if the manufacturer wasn't too cheap to include them. While the 'long life' label label hinted at one thing, but I'm sure the price hinted at another.
Ah, I get it: these "new" batteries are simply a relabeling gimmick. Say no more.

Your post got me thinking of the old (N)EverReady silver "Heavy Duty" AA batteries. You know, the silver-colored ones with the cat on them?

ETA: here we go:

»airrifleaccessories.co.uk/images···Y-AA.jpg

Those batteries were/are a joke, but I can see using them in some remote you don't particularly care about if you really wanted to nickel-and-dime like that. However, as much of a cheapass as I am, I still think it's easier to simply use nearly-dead alkalines for those low-drain kinds of applications. [shrugs]

I'm with you on the bulk alkalines. Rechargeables are a good idea if you're disciplined enough to keep them charged, but as for me, I just want a power source I can grab and shove into something without having to ask myself if it's been fully charged or not.

I guess batteries, unlike computers, are something I expect to yield an angst-free user experience. :)
--
We could use the £5,000 to buy a spoon. And then fill up with ice cream.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22684279 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:07:41 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22684241 BlitzenZeus : Not exactly new, just relabeled, they are the same cheap batteries you find included with many low drain devices for years, if the manufacturer wasn't too cheap to include them. While the 'long life' label label hinted at one thing, but I'm sure the price hinted at another. They have their use, just like there are special 9 volt batteries for smoke alarms, well.... that is all they are really good for anymore anyway.

I either buy rechargeables, or the cheap packs of bulk alkaline for most devices. I find rechargables start going bad after 1-2 years even with proper draining, and charging, so they end up being around the cost of the bulk alkaline anyway. Lithium batteries are quite nice, while they last the longest in high drain devices, and last next to forever in low drain devices, they are just the most expensive.
--
My hourly rates:
$25 per hour.
$35 per hour if you want to watch.
$45 per hour if you want to help.
$75 per hour if you tried to fix it, and failed.
$125 per hour if you called tech support, and didn't fix the issue while making things worse]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22684241 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:44:39 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22684220 Mr Neutron :
said by dvd536 See Profile :

I've had so called 'dead batteries' last years in remote controls.
Frankly, I thought everyone rotated nearly-dead batteries into low-drain devices like remotes and clocks to eke out whatever power was left. What, is this behavior considered out-of-the-ordinary now?

I understand that the OP may have effed up by using batteries that were designed for a low-drain device in a (comparatively) high-drain device like a beard trimmer. What I don't understand is: why is Phillips even bothering to market a battery that is only meant to be used in "clocks, radios, calculators, and remote controls?" I mean, are these "low-drain device" batteries that much cheaper than run-of-the-mill AAs and AAAs you can pick up for fifty cents a throw?

Seriously, this kind of battery is a new one on me and, unless there's a significant cost savings involved, I just don't see the point.

It sounds like, with this new type of battery, I have to pay attention to what type of device I use it in. Not to sound like a 'tard or anything, but that's just way too much work for me. Maybe I'm the only one, but I don't have time to play games: I want to shove batteries into something and have it operate.
--
We could use the £5,000 to buy a spoon. And then fill up with ice cream.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22684220 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:21:07 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22683849 dvd536 :
said by Anonymous_ See Profile :

just get rechargables
Rechargables don't last very long in hi drain devices.
--
When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22683849 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:21:17 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22682413 Anonymous_ : just get rechagerables ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22682413 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:52:30 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22679945 thedragonmas : ive had alkaline batteries last in a atomic clock (weather etc) for a good 2 years . in another supposedly Superior clock they lasted a month. ive just had to replace the batteries in my dvd recorder remote, i baught it 3 years ago and used the philips brand batteries that came with it.

its all about the device and what its pull on the batteries are.

i have a thermometer/alarm on the fridge/freezer the freezer module will last maybe a month with alkaline batteries. i started using those very expensive lithium batteries in it and so far its been about a year.

so again, it depends on the device, its use, and location.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22679945 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:45:41 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22677924 dvd536 :
said by r81984 See Profile :

said by sivran See Profile :

Bottom line -- OP used low-power batteries intended for low-load devices in a high-load device and now is upset they didn't perform very well.

We've got a 12 o'clock flasher here.
So the batteries are only long life when used in a low powered device?? So basically they are regular batteries being advertised for low powered devices using a deceptive slogan of saying long life.
I've had so called 'dead batteries' last years in remote controls.
--
When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22677924 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:54:36 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22672115 fishacura :
said by r81984 See Profile :

said by sivran See Profile :

Bottom line -- OP used low-power batteries intended for low-load devices in a high-load device and now is upset they didn't perform very well.

We've got a 12 o'clock flasher here.
So the batteries are only long life when used in a low powered device?? So basically they are regular batteries being advertised for low powered devices using a deceptive slogan of saying long life.
I think it's pretty clear. USE THE PRODUCT AS IT WAS INTENDED AND CLEARLY MARKED, and they will last longer than standard batteries.
--
People who don't get good service on average tell 10 others while people who do get good service on average tell 1.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22672115 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:35:10 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22672030 r81984 :
said by sivran See Profile :

Bottom line -- OP used low-power batteries intended for low-load devices in a high-load device and now is upset they didn't perform very well.

We've got a 12 o'clock flasher here.
So the batteries are only long life when used in a low powered device?? So basically they are regular batteries being advertised for low powered devices using a deceptive slogan of saying long life.
--
For those of you playing a drinking game.... MY FRIENDS!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22672030 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:21:08 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22671948 fishacura :
said by sivran See Profile :

Bottom line -- OP used low-power batteries intended for low-load devices in a high-load device and now is upset they didn't perform very well.

We've got a 12 o'clock flasher here.
Perfectly said. Succinct and accurate! USER ERROR!
--
People who don't get good service on average tell 10 others while people who do get good service on average tell 1.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22671948 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:01:27 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22671606 dvd536 :
said by Langning See Profile :

said by dvd536 See Profile :

I bet if you look at the packaging, you'll see "made in china" somewhere on it.
Does an American-built Toyota is different in quality than a Japanese-built one?
That would equate to yugo buying the toyota name and slapping the name on a pos yugo. shit whatever you call it is still shit.
--
When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22671606 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 06:34:09 EDT They killed More for Less http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22671049 Technogeez : Will no one rid me of this thread?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22671049 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:12:22 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22661110 sivran : Bottom line -- OP used low-power batteries intended for low-load devices in a high-load device and now is upset they didn't perform very well.

We've got a 12 o'clock flasher here.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22661110 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:52:07 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22660354 Langning :
said by dvd536 See Profile :

I bet if you look at the packaging, you'll see "made in china" somewhere on it.
I don't see how "made in china" come in? It is a Philips brand. Philips put its name on it, Philips is responsible for it. Cthen, can you look at the package for the country of origin?

Does an American-built Toyota is different in quality than a Japanese-built one?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22660354 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:36:34 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22657395 BlitzenZeus :
said by Cthen See Profile :

Why do you think I want to know what is in that battery when my question was why doesn't Philips know? Yet again you put up a quote about Zinc-Chloride, these are Zinc-Carbon, again telling me Philips has no clue what they are selling.

Also again, why was it's intended use not stated on the packaging like any other brand does?

So, what good would Googling "Philips long life batteries" do for me again? :uhh:
Read the damn links, all the information is on zinc carbon batteries, but you can't bother yourself to read this information, which I feel would also be on the back of their packaging. It was all over their website also.... You seem oblivous to reality...
--
My hourly rates:
$25 per hour.
$35 per hour if you want to watch.
$45 per hour if you want to help.
$75 per hour if you tried to fix it, and failed.
$125 per hour if you called tech support, and didn't fix the issue while making things worse]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22657395 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:09:33 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656803 dvd536 : Look at philips tvs and dvd players. look how cheap and flimsy they are. todays philips isn't your grandfathers philips where quality actually meant something.
-
I bet if you look at the packaging, you'll see "made in china" somewhere on it.
--
When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656803 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:50:29 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656141 Cthen : Why do you think I want to know what is in that battery when my question was why doesn't Philips know? Yet again you put up a quote about Zinc-Chloride, these are Zinc-Carbon, again telling me Philips has no clue what they are selling.

Also again, why was it's intended use not stated on the packaging like any other brand does?

So, what good would Googling "Philips long life batteries" do for me again? :uhh:
--
"I like to refer to myself as an Adult Film Efficienato." - Stuart Bondek]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656141 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:01:35 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656002 BlitzenZeus : You seriously spent more effort not doing it than just doing it... lol :)

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc-carbon_battery
"A zinc-carbon dry cell or battery is packaged in a zinc can that serves as both a container and anode. It was developed from the wet Leclanché cell (pronounced /lɛklɑːnˈʃeɪ/). The cathode is a mixture of manganese dioxide and carbon powder. The electrolyte is a paste of zinc chloride and ammonium chloride dissolved in water. Zinc chloride cells are an improved version from the original ammonium chloride variety. Zinc-carbon batteries are the least expensive primary batteries and thus a popular choice by manufacturers when devices are sold with batteries included. They can be used in remote controls, flashlights, toys, or transistor radios, where the power drain is not too heavy."

"The (heavy duty) zinc chloride cell is an improvement on the original zinc-carbon cell, using purer chemicals and giving a longer life and steadier voltage output as it is used. Instead of an electrolyte mixture containing much NH4Cl, it is largely only ZnCl2 paste."
»www.consumer.philips.com/consume···6LS4A-27

You were better off buying alkaline, or li-ion batteries.
--
My hourly rates:
$25 per hour.
$35 per hour if you want to watch.
$45 per hour if you want to help.
$75 per hour if you tried to fix it, and failed.
$125 per hour if you called tech support, and didn't fix the issue while making things worse]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656002 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:55:47 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655746 Omega : I'm going to side with Philips on this and assume you have a very large beard.
--
Whats smells like blue?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655746 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:24:48 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655474 Cthen :
said by BlitzenZeus See Profile :

Try googling "Philips long life batteries"
Your counter argument, not mine, why should I have to do your work? Even then, why is it not stated on the packaging? How is it the company that put their name on these batteries not even know what is in them?
--
"I like to refer to myself as an Adult Film Efficienato." - Stuart Bondek]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655474 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:37:16 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655351 BlitzenZeus : Try googling "Philips long life batteries"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655351 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:52:05 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655324 Cthen : Wow not even Philips knows what is in the batteries? Zinc-Chloride? The ones I'm looking at say Zinc-Carbon 1.5V with nothing on the packaging that states your quote, where ever that came from.
--
"I like to refer to myself as an Adult Film Efficienato." - Stuart Bondek]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655324 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:38:19 EDT Re: [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655032 BlitzenZeus : "For your low-drain products choose LongLife batteries. Zinc-Chloride technology is perfect for your clocks, radios, calculators and remote controls."

I guess a trimmer is not a low-drain device?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655032 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:50:55 EDT [Rant] Philips long life batteries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653035 Cthen : 2 AA's I bought on sale and after 1 run through my beard and moustache trimmer, they are already worn down.

I mean really, would you have some 3rd party supplier slap your name on something that bad? No I don't blame the supplier, I blame Philips. Even though a supplier really made them, it became a Philips product with Philips being the company that f'ed up.
--
"I like to refer to myself as an Adult Film Efficienato." - Stuart Bondek]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22653035 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:10:10 EDT