MarkAW
Barry White or lil bratt
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Canada
 ·Bell Sympatico
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| reply to dds78
Re: Symantec executive: dangerous to run free antivirus
said by dds78 :
Why do people claim I've used xxx av product and never been infected, so therefore my av is great? How do you know that you've never been infected? Because the av never warned you? What if the av didn't detect the silent rootkit install while you were surfing your favorite pr0n site?
May be because these same people don't only depend on their AV they also use online scans and other tools. 
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jp10558
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Willseyville, NY
| reply to DownTheShore
said by DownTheShore  :Please everyone, whether you like Norton or not, get it into your heads that the current version of is is not the same bloated or slow versions of the past. It is a completely new beast. If you're going to complain about it, at least complain about the actual product, not your memory of it. Get off your pet horses and actually try it out, THEN complain about what you don't like about it. I'm just tired of sweeping generalizations being made about products that haven't been used in a decade. Why does every discussion about AV's have to turn into a "mine is best and your's is crap" fest?  Well, I can't speak to the Norton products, but IME the SEP 11 MR4 isn't anywhere near a step forward in resource use, and still has the random - I've stopped working, so reinstall windows to fix me problems.
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sivran
Long Live The Suite
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join:2003-09-15
Arlington, TX
clubs: | While I haven't noticed anything of that nature with SEP (yet  ), I definitely have noticed the slowdown it causes. |
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Mele20
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join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
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said by Name Game :Symantec was hooking into the OS on winXP opening their own hole and choked on it with Vista. So far in 2009 they still play down every hole they open. You can have that "layer"..I have better things to do with my time... and when a user wants to rid themselves of the AV..they need a special cleanup tool to uninstall all the bits and crumbs left on the plate. That's bad programming. Security Advisories Relating to Symantec Products» searchg.symantec.com/search?site···&start=0Symantec Security Advisory SYM09-009, Specifically Crafted Archive Files can Bypass Initial Scans June 12, 2009 » www.symantec.com/business/securi···90612_00What all should know is that.. Symantec nonetheless categorises the severity of the problem as low and in its security advisory merely provides tips for possible workarounds, rather than releasing an update. Administrators should, for example, change their gateway settings so that damaged archives are discarded. The evaluation of such vulnerabilities is a major point of distinction between different anti-virus product vendors. Last year, F-Secure evaluated the risk from such a vulnerability as high. » msmvps.com/blogs/donna/archive/2···ans.aspx So Symanec hooked the kernel in XP. So did McAfee and many others. ProcessGuard (HIPS) hooks the kernel and that is why it won't work on Vista and that pisses me off. I certainly don't think Vista is more secure because it blocks me from using PG on it.
As for malformed archives posing a serious security problem, I disagree. As Symantec points out their real time scanner will catch it. Avira can't do 7zip and many other archives. I rely solely on Guard. Guard is the core of Avira. The on demand scanner is weak. What does it matter (other than ....gee, that cut it close feeling if left to Guard/Symantec's real time scanner) if Symantec can't detect within the malformed archive files until the user tries to execute them? What matters is that Symantec detects the baddie at the moment of execution. If it doesn't do that then I would be upset but other than the "Whew! That was close" feeling of letting it get down to the nitty=gritty before detection occurs - I don't see a problem.
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StraitShoot
Who Loves Ya Baby? - Theo Kojak
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join:2003-02-08
Clinton, MA
| reply to Doctor Four
He's full of it! Microsoft Security Essentials has one of the BEST detection and removal processes I can find.. I WILL NEVER Pay for AV software if I can help it! |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
1 edit | reply to MarkAW
said by MarkAW :said by dds78 :
Why do people claim I've used xxx av product and never been infected, so therefore my av is great? How do you know that you've never been infected? Because the av never warned you? What if the av didn't detect the silent rootkit install while you were surfing your favorite pr0n site?
May be because these same people don't only depend on their AV they also use online scans and other tools. KAV online, Housecall, various RK scanners - none of them ever find anything.
Can't begin to imagine why... huh?
Several AS/AM scanners - cookies! ONOES!!1
It has come down to me scanning my machines for entertainment. Nothing of any importance is ever found.
Maybe my machines *ARE* protected after all.
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CajunTek
Insane Cajun
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join:2003-08-08
Arlington, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to Doctor Four
While I disagree with the statement that Free AVs are dangerous to run. I also disagree with the statement that the 2009 version of Norton is bad. Now I don't use it, (KAV user here) but I have friends who do and some with a much less powerful box than mine and have no hog issues at all. In reality a good AV (free or pay), and safe hex is going to make you as safe as you are going to be. Noting that safe hex may include other tools and should include a limited user account as well as the stuff here: »Security »How to Secure (and Keep Secure) My (New) Computer(s): A Layered Approach:
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