Mashiki
Balking The Enemy's Plans
join:2002-02-04
Woodstock, ON
 ·Bright House
·Rogers Hi-Speed
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Re: Symantec executive: dangerous to run free antivirus
I don't know about that. Take a look at the problem with McAfee bricking machines right now. Saying that "paid for" AV products are the best solution over free is pretty poor when your competitor is in a PR war right now.
While some free AV products are less then effective, some paid ones are just poor. |
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Smokey Bear
veritas odium parit
Premium
join:2008-03-15
Annie's Pub
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said by lhamp  :Smart computing will win every time. I have to disagree, today such is not valid anymore. Thread landscape evolve(d) incredible fast, smart computing and a simple AV is not enough (anymore) for adequate protection.
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Oleg
Bellsouth Fastaccess
Premium
join:2003-12-08
Birmingham, AL | reply to Doctor Four
One more thing Norton products worth a crap. |
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lhamp
Premium
join:2000-02-20
Stone Mountain, GA
clubs: | reply to Mashiki
I think you replied to the wrong person. |
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Smokey Bear
veritas odium parit
Premium
join:2008-03-15
Annie's Pub
| said by lhamp :I think you replied to the wrong person. Nobody is invincible, factual it is very dangerous to think that way.  |
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ztmike
Mark for moderation
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join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN
·Comcast
| reply to Doctor Four
This is simply the people behind Norton--Symantec, I believe they are honestly scared now that there are so many free alternatives, and what's even more laughable at this article is that Microsoft is now entering the free antivirus scene, and we all know how big a impact they will have the market.
This is simply them being scared. They should be, their product is crap. Hell just the other day I had someone come to me with their computer [that had Norton on it] with a virus, downloaded Avast FREE and it did a boot scan and deleted the virus right off. 
A product that works! Who would of thunk? |
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Cudni
La Merma - Vigilado
Premium,MVM
join:2003-12-20
Someshire
| reply to Doctor Four
pure fud, no it is dirty fud 
provide a product that will protect the users absolutely and then say other products and not doing enough. Otherwise it is just scaremongering
Cudni
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bobince
join:2002-04-19
DE
| reply to Doctor Four
quote:
If you are only relying on free antivirus to offer you protection in this modern age, you are not getting the protection you need to be able to stay clean and have a reasonable chance of avoiding identity theft
Well, be fair to him, it's true.
Mind you, if you replace the words 'free antivirus' with 'paid-for antivirus', it's still true. Security is not a product in a box! |
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lhamp
Premium
join:2000-02-20
Stone Mountain, GA
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And I disagree with your statement. Although it's true that the landscape is evolving incredible fast, it's still not an excuse to not do Smart Computing.
You may be right with how fast things are changing and it can be very easy to get infected. However the Smart PC user can still avoid these pitfalls.
To that end it might be better served for high end gamers, etc to have a paid AV, Malware on his/her PC.
I'm talking about the majority of PC users that do run games and spend way too much time downloading crap on their pc that they have no business downloading.
We live in an age of the PC as just another appliance. It's supposed to do what the manufacturer says it does. So when they get infected with a virus or malware, they just don't understand how IN THE HELL DID tHIS HAPPEN? Opps. I didn't pay attention to the fact that the included AV that came with the PC for a 90 day trial just stopped because they didn't pay for it.
So Smart Computing will win every time. It's called Common Sense. |
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Smokey Bear
veritas odium parit
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Annie's Pub
| said by lhamp :And I disagree with your statement. Although it's true that the landscape is evolving incredible fast, it's still not an excuse to not do Smart Computing. You recall my words crooked. I said: smart computing and a simple AV is not enough (anymore) for adequate protection. I didn't adviced not to do Smart Computing, contradary, I advice everyone to behave that way. 
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fatdcuk
Premium
join:2005-02-20
England
| reply to bobince
said by bobince :Mind you, if you replace the words 'free antivirus' with 'paid-for antivirus', it's still true. Security is not a product in a box! Amen,
No security suite is going to supply a high risk user with the mythical silver bullet.
It might appear to reduce the likelyhood but it is merely delaying the inevitable for these type of user's.
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lhamp
Premium
join:2000-02-20
Stone Mountain, GA
clubs: | reply to Smokey Bear
Sorry. But I still think a simple AV/ malware is enough for Smart Computing. Let's not get into a war here. I agree to disagree with you and leave it at that. |
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Dustyn
Premium
join:2003-02-26
Ontario, CAN | reply to Doctor Four
Thanks for the laugh! 
I didn't realize Symantec had a sense of humour! |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to MarkAW
very true... Norton kills PCs. its a POS and slows the computers down. free layered programs work best and easier to control. they also don't take several minutes for the computer to full load everything it needs. |
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TheJoker
Premium,VIP,MVM
join:2001-04-26
Alexandria, VA
| said by hottboiinnc :very true... Norton kills PCs. its a POS and slows the computers down. You are thinking of pre-2009 versions. The current version doesn't slow systems down like the older version did.
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pandora
Premium
join:2001-06-01
Outland
 ·ooma
·Future Nine Corpor..
·Comcast
|  reply to Doctor Four
On 3 occasions recently, I've been to friends PC's who had NIS 2009 and after installing superantispyware (free edition) a lot of stuff was found.
NIS is a great product, and I'll continue to use it, but so are products like AVAST, AVG and Superantispyware.
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Oleg
Bellsouth Fastaccess
Premium
join:2003-12-08
Birmingham, AL
| said by pandora :On 3 occasions recently, I've been to friends PC's who had NIS 2009 and after installing superantispyware (free edition) a lot of stuff was found. NIS is a great product, and I'll continue to use it, but so are products like AVAST, AVG and Superantispyware. I am sorry to hear that you are brainwashed. |
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Smokey Bear
veritas odium parit
Premium
join:2008-03-15
Annie's Pub
| It is remarkable that every thread regarding an AV or is related to, end in a "crap" discussion. Norton: is crap. Symantec: is crap. AVG: is crap. Avira: is crap. Aso aso aso. FWIW, I appreciate Oleg's reaction: at least he is unexpected original and replace the word crap by "brainwashed" |
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aussiedog
join:2007-01-10
Alamogordo, NM
1 edit | reply to Doctor Four
Users must still subscribe to paid suite definition updates. Personally I've seen more people better covered by free AV/malware software because they don't have to ante up for continued coverage. The less hassle in continued updating, the better, in fact.
Frustrations involving poor customer service or software failure for a paid suite causes more consumer safety failure than using free AV/malware software. There are many fine free publishers out there with high ratings by most rating services such as Virus Bulletin.
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The Snowman
Premium
join:2007-05-20
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to Doctor Four
The guy from "S" is comparing apples to peanuts........off-hand I do not know of any free anti-virus that comes as a "Suite".
So naturally if you compare a Suite to something less....then yes the guy is correct.
However, a real big "however".........there is certainly much more to computer security than just an anti-virus program....no matter be which name it carrys.
Does this guy's statement indicate that freeware anti-virus programs are not effective........definitely not. Turn that freeware anti-virus into a Suite by adding the required Programs an a person will end up with some fairly decent security. Add Programs like WinPatrol.....etc., etc., etc., an you can take freeware to a much higher level....an make a downright "kick-ass" security "Suite" In fact, installed seperately may be an added advantage over a Suite because it may be more difficult for a hacker to dis-able all the Programs at once where it may be possible to that with a Suite.
Rarely will you see a full fledge security thread that explains in full detail how to enhance computer security.....listing registry tweaks., etc. New Comers would have no idea what was being said so the information really would not be useful. For example.....with XP you can tweak it to drop a DDOS attack........but I sure am not going to send a Newbe playing around in the Registry to do it.
There is more than ample freeware out there to secure a computer to a reasonable level that will compete with any shareware product....... |
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