grayfox
join:2007-12-10
Whitby, ON
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to rik
Re: Bell Internet Max 16 Fibre. is it really maxed ?
Its just fiber to the node nothing to get excited about. They just run fiber to the remote, If your 1KM From the co this service could be done from the co (Assuming it has adsl2 hardware) and it would give you the same user experience, Also most if not all co's are already running off fiber. |
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rik
join:2008-05-25
Vanier, ON
·Acanac
| I just phoned Bell and asked to speak to a Bell Technician (not salesman) regarding Max16 and my availability in my area. K1L5Y3.
He did the line test from whatever tool they use and said I have 17 Meg capable fibre connection..."
I asked him as direct as I could regarding Fibre from C.O. to my pole ? yes or no ?
He explained that the C.O.'s are indeed fibred, (FTTN ?)..., and that "...my area recently(as of 7 months ago) now has fibre to the telphone pole..."
I find this odd, because this is Vanier and my house is like 100 years old and the telephone poles look even older 
however, carrying on,...
ok, he wouldn't really say "YES", and it may have been just the NewDehli-sales-dance as even the Techs today may be told by Bell to say ? I dunno, anyway no disrespect intended to anyone plz. -just Bell sales.
Sorry, I'm a bit new to all this FTTN, I do know that when I had a dedicated Dry-Lopp setup by Bell last year they tested my line at around +8Mbps, now its technically 17 Mbps.
-I appreciate all the info from all you guys so far.
its very helpful.
bottom-line:
Being that there will be now 3 to 4 of us sharing this (and the young one loves downloading Movies all the time ....and now me too.) -this is why I'm thinkin about it.
But, as some have honestly mentioned, bottom-line the 100 Gig limit and more than "obvious" throttling practices by Bell may keep this prohibitive to me -not sure yet.
"Well, go Find out the hard way..." -as dad used to say.
chers
Rick. |
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rik
join:2008-05-25
Vanier, ON
·Acanac
| Now I'm curious;
I phoned them back again, and Bell explained that for my Max 16 that I don't need a Modem, just a Router ?
ok, now I'm confused. ?
Does this mean a few hundred meters from my house there is a wireless relay box or something. ?
FTTN is "...to the curb..." but that obvisouly depends on situational physical characteristics of the particular setup in my area.
Is this all true?
-I gotta hone-up on my networkin', man I really feel behind the times now  |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| This is fibre to some pole near you where it drops to a remote box that has DSLAMs in it for ADSL2+.
FTTN Fibre to the node has lots of variant names ... Fibre to the pole, Fibre to the curb, Fibre to the neighbourhood, Fibre to the street. Usually it's all the same thing. It's fibre to a remote where they combine many DSL customers together all who are within distance for the speed advertised, and sends it all up a fibre to the CO.
You DO need a modem ... one that is ADSL2+ compliant ... and Bell's Modem-Router combos are just such devices.
The problem you're suffering is the typical lack of real knowledge of the Bell folks in call centres. |
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rik
join:2008-05-25
Vanier, ON
·Acanac
| k, thanks sbrook.
as usual, I've learned more on this forum about isp stuff than I have talking direct with their suppliers.
anyway, I've been hunting around reading more on these forums, and one fella had 22Meg capable line test and yet he only got 10 15 Meg total, and he was really close to the CO, so it looks like my 17Meg(max line test only) blah blah will probably end up a lot worse, then again, like everyone said its tooo situational to really answer someone by saying oh ya MAX is great -get it.
that is definitely NOT always true.
I still hope for this fibre potential gets a lot better though-as everyone does, but for now maybe another separate acanac connection for the kids will also do just fine. Its cheap enough that they can pay for it themselves.  |
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dbsanfte
join:2005-03-15
Montreal, QC
·Colbanet
| Get an ST516, you can use DMT to adjust your SNR and boost your speed to your liking. I was able to squeeze an extra 2Mbits out of an interleaved line by lowering the snr from 9 to 4, with no effect on line stability (obviously this depends on your line). |
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rik
join:2008-05-25
Vanier, ON
·Acanac
| right now, I've got an ST780 ('cause we have acanac 3rd-paty VOIP as well), but with 2 more heavy users a bigger pipe might be needed.
I'm pretty sure my DSL is interleaved too, and the ST516 is very similar to my ST780 -I'll look into your suggestion thx. |
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rik
join:2008-05-25
Vanier, ON
·Acanac
| reply to dbsanfte
you said:
"...Get an ST516, you can use DMT to adjust your SNR and boost your speed to your liking. I was able to squeeze an extra 2Mbits out of an interleaved line by lowering the snr from 9 to 4, with no effect on line stability (obviously this depends on your line)...."
Your talkin' squeezing 2 more Megs out of my exusting acanac DSL line ?, OR, out of a Max 16 setup ? I don't understand here.
Anyway, here is my facts right now, I've had acanac/dsl for over a year now, pretty stable at +5Mpbs, no problems. I'm close to the C.O.
But Lately I opened a ticket with Acanac who said Bell said due to line degradation they have to limit me to 4Mbps ?
So, I phone a Bell tech myself and they tested my line at 17Mbps capable ! -amazing eh?, in fact they(Bell) suggested I go with Max 16. - I know, amazing eh ?
ya I know.
When I asked Bell why my existing line with acanac was downgraded to 4Mbps, and being so, how the ______ can they guarantee 16 Meg -when Bell told Acanac they couldn't even guarantee a lousy 4Mbps (even though I'm paying for +5M). ?
Now, up until recently, I've had +5Mbps with recorded bursts of well over 6.5 Mbps -just downloading stuff, except as I mentioned above for the last month or so.
But because I'm with a 3rd party DSL supplier like Acanac -well of course, Bell couldn't answer me. -low and behold.?
The whole reason I'm with Acanac is because its a little cheaper than Bell/sympatico and they(Acanac) are fairly reliable and good -I'm happy with acanac. Nuthin' against Bell -but comon !
Now, with 3 or more potentisal users, I might need morw BW, hence, why I started this thread in hopes of getting some performance questions answered in regards to Bell's Max 16 .
thats all.
maybe I'm gettin lost between the technical lines here, but I'm just tryin to do some homework here before I make any "rash" decision. Also, if you're going to give me some advice fine, I definitely appreciate it, always.
no worries, I may not understand fully the 1st time so I might have to ask more questions noob-sounding or not ok?
Sounds like a "Forum" to me.
cheers.
Rick. |
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