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| NSA plans massive, 65MW, $2bn data center in Utah When completed, the facility will require at least 65 megawatts of power and cost $1.93bn, according to news reports. The 120-acre data center will be located in Utah's Camp Williams, which borders Salt Lake and Tooele counties. Two major power corridors already run through the spot, a major reason the NSA chose it.
The articles came around the same time The Washington Post reported that the Obama administration will proceed with a Bush-era plan to use NSA assistance is screening government computer traffic on private-sector networks. The plan is controversial because of the NSA's involvement in warrantless wiretapping of US citizens. »www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/03···_center/
Wow, a 120-acre data center for collection of data and just to power the beast it will take 65MW but the real question is what kind of information will our government be collecting.
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| Re: NSA plans massive, 65MW, $2bn data center in Utah said by FunnyBones  : what kind of information will our government be collecting. all of it?
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| Re: NSA plans massive, 65MW, $2bn data center in Utah said by Cudni :said by FunnyBones : what kind of information will our government be collecting. all of it? Cudni
 hehe should be obvious I guess...
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| Re: NSA plans massive, 65MW, $2bn data center in Utah said by DataDoc :It's a test bed for solar power. Sort of prime the pump for that market. .
»Obama Using NSA, AT&T For New Snooping Project
Some how I doubt that but you know it would make a good cover story just like they used to say the ATT hidden NSA rooms didn't exist until it was exposed by a NSA employee tice that they were indeed spying on your pizza purchases as well..
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1 edit | Re: NSA plans massive, 65MW, $2bn data center in Utah said by ztmike :Terrorists are bad! Even if it means taking away Americans rights! After all..Uncle Sam has to protect you from yourself.  said by Benjamin Franklin :
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Everywhere | That's enough to power 100,000 or so homes. That's serious power to feed serious equipment. I think Cudni was right when they said "All of it". | |
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2 edits | Re: NSA plans massive, 65MW, $2bn data center in Utah said by Juggernaut :That's enough to power 100,000 or so homes. That's serious power to feed serious equipment. I think Cudni was right when they said "All of it". Half that power will be used for cooling.
Anyone know if this will this be underground? I wouldn't think they would build something of this nature above ground..but putting it below ground would cost some major bucks for 120acres of space. | |
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3 edits | Re: NSA plans massive, 65MW, $2bn data center in Utah said by ztmike :said by Juggernaut :That's enough to power 100,000 or so homes. That's serious power to feed serious equipment. I think Cudni was right when they said "All of it". Half that power will be used for cooling. Anyone know if this will this be underground? I wouldn't think they would build something of this nature above ground..but putting it underground would cost some major bucks for 120acres of space. Another thing is this will not be the only one going in as I have seen a few news articles say one will be built down in San Antonio, Texas but no details how big that one might be.
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Everywhere | You'd think so, and is probably going to be used by the military as well for the cyber warfare project. I would imagine they'd want it safe from a nuclear strike as well. | |
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| Re: NSA plans massive, 65MW, $2bn data center in Utah said by Juggernaut :You'd think so, and is probably going to be used by the military as well for the cyber warfare project. I would imagine they'd want it safe from a nuclear strike as well. Sure 120 acres two major power connects who knows how many internet connections even if most are fiber someone will bring in copper for something. One nice big electromagnetic pulse will find the design flaw where ever it is. | |
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| When completed, the facility will require at least 65 megawatts of power On the other hand that is a lot of questions and answers sessions the old fashioned way
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| "$52m will be spent in preparatory electrical work, including connecting the two corridors. "
So a tree branch falling on a power line can now knock out two corridors not just one. Or if this data center has a real problem it can knock down two corridors.
Also what about internet is Salt lake connected or will all my ping times increase playing games on the net. Plus will my VOIP phone now have an echo again with latency. | |
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2 edits | Re: NSA plans massive, 65MW, $2bn data center in Utah said by no_one : "$52m will be spent in preparatory electrical work, including connecting the two corridors. " So a tree branch falling on a power line can now knock out two corridors not just one. Or if this data center has a real problem it can knock down two corridors. Also what about internet is Salt lake connected or will all my ping times increase playing games on the net. Plus will my VOIP phone now have an echo again with latency. Well you could say they will engage in cyber warfare and were even happy enough to hire Dark Tangent for use at the DHS but as far as the activities he will play a role in will be hush hush.
The NSA has been spying since day 1 and I'm sure people would like to believe this was much shorter but the real truth of the matter is your data is needed for various reasons and this is why they must know your tv viewing habits and other warehouses and spying on your phone, email and how they can even ask your neighbor for your census data.
The grid has been in place for a long time including how they can tap into your cell phone and listen in on you and your family to even the gps enabled on your phone. I think we have been exposed to a few things we know about for sure and people are not to happy about it.
More will be coming and you can count on it... 
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LoL...it takes something this hugh just to Store the information that they have ALREADY collected over the past fifteen years or so.
Interesting that its being built in Utah which is said to be less likely "hit" by a Nuke..........LoL, ok, so the population will be gone....but they sure will still have all that information......LoL. | |
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| Re: NSA plans massive, 65MW, $2bn data center in Utah said by The Snowman : LoL...it takes something this hugh just to Store the information that they have ALREADY collected over the past fifteen years or so. Interesting that its being built in Utah which is said to be less likely "hit" by a Nuke..........LoL, ok, so the population will be gone....but they sure will still have all that information......LoL. Mormons= Most obviously retaining more on new suckers.
I know one service a lot of people forget about is the internet archive that holds a wealth of former web pages but information is power and our government knows more about us then we even do but the biggest problem is labeling us all the terrorist's and manipulating our constitutional rights.
How many times have we heard this is all for the protection of the children...
Remember your data is safe with the gubbermint...
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| Re: NSA plans massive, 65MW, $2bn data center in Utah said by FunnyBones :Mormons= Most obviously retaining more on new suckers. I LOL'ed. You tickled my funny bone, funnybones. | |
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fatness:
"The cost of renting all those mini-storage places was getting so high. "
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LoL....an they say Medicare takes all the money....LoL.
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| Isn't this facility just going to contribute to global warming? Obama is destroying out planet! 65 MW? You've got to be kidding.
Even though this article is 5 years old, it might give a glimpse of some of the technology used: »www.techworld.com/storage/news/i···sid=2430 | |
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| Re: NSA plans massive, 65MW, $2bn data center in Utah said by no_one :So they know my TV habits. No more 24 hour porn now that I am married and have a child. Now its Dora the Explorer and Wow Wow Wuzzby. Now if they can predict if my wife is running with or without horns on a certain day that would be something. Unless you live your life underground or hide who you really are people see you. For instance two employees at my work. One was arrested for violence another child molestation. Ok, large company lots of workers. The violent one we say his personality and adjusted for it. The child one well no proof but he talked odd and well no real friendly coworkers. Without any monitoring or data track we saw who they are. Any coworker my friends or anyone who cares that talks to me has a decent idea who I am and what I think. Even when I am not thinking and boring as a door knob. Only thing data tracking does for me is make sure I do not put anything in writing I do not want in writing. What is dangerous is th thought pattern reinforced by it. Oh so and so thinks this way now we have proof. Jail or mental hospital for them with no crime committed yet. We have it thru data mining. It is a crime now. Well before you knew the person and had to wait for the crime. Know we have proof how they think in data. Not just how they act or what they say. Then we allow or get whipped into allowing government to decide what thinking is right and what is wrong. My thinking is still good never will happen to me. They are bad thinkers and the government has the data to prove it. The say the sky is blue when the government and I know it is yellow. I think right like my government says they think wrong. I would never think wrong. There are just too many that can not think for themselves. Then others who do think but still just do as they are told. They take the easy road. I agree thought crimes are nothing new this is basically what they want a full fledged tracking system with behavioral monitoring to see if you're the kind of person who will act out against our criminally insane government.
We haven't reached the same level as the UK but if you want to see the future all you need to do is look how the system is moving away from standard forms of security and moving to a new global system electronically with id schemes, CCTV, etc.
I think about it even the changes on the internet and how a lot of people warned for a long time we would have internet2 and essentially we will have it as soon as they reveal IPV6 is the way to go.
The sad fact is this system took a lot of time to reach us here and now but a lot of people don't realize they have been dumbed down by saying hey check out this new cell phone that almost never runs out of power but oh yeah the NSA is going to be eavesdropping on that baby. This is how they get you hook line and sinker.
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| Re: NSA plans massive, 65MW, $2bn data center in Utah slajoh01
Good link.
( So just what will be going on inside the NSA’s new San Antonio facility? Bamford describes former NSA Director Mike Hayden’s goals for the data-mining center as knowing “exactly what Americans were doing day by day, hour by hour, and second by second. He wanted to know where they shopped, what they bought, what movies they saw, what books they read, the toll booths they went through, the plane tickets they purchased, the hotels they stayed in… In other words, Total Information Awareness, the same Orwellian concept that John Poindexter had tried to develop while working for the Pentagon’s [Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency].
Don't use a credit card etc, cash is king !
MS and NSA closer than ever !
( Bamford writes about how NSA and Microsoft had both been eyeing San Antonio for years because it has the cheapest electricity in Texas, and the state has its own power grid, making it less vulnerable to power outages on the national grid. He notes that it seemed the NSA wanted assurance Microsoft would be here, too, before making a final commitment, due to the advantages of “having their miners virtually next door to the mother lode of data centers.” The new NSA facility is just a few miles from Microsoft’s data center of the same size. Bamford says that under current law, NSA could gain access to Microsoft’s stored data without even a warrant, but merely a fiber-optic cable.
“What the Microsoft people will have will be just storage of a lot of the email that is being sent. They keep this email — I don’t know why — and there should be some legislation saying how long it should be kept,” said Bamford in a phone interview last week. “The post office doesn’t keep copies of our letters when we mail letters; why should the telecom companies or the internet providers keep copies of our email? It doesn’t make sense to me. But there’s no legislation. So they need a place to store it, and that’s where they’re storing all this stuff.”
(Microsoft did not return a call for comment before press deadline.)
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| Re: NSA plans massive, 65MW, $2bn data center in Utah said by mikepd :"tracking system with behavioral monitoring' Is that the NSA or advertising companies, you are talking about?  LOL how about both..
Systems are not the problem but its more the people who run them.
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1 edit | What a waste of money, time, and super-computing cycles. I'm not going to say more because they are probably reading our posts right now.
What an intrusive nanny-state we are becoming. 
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| Re: NSA plans massive, 65MW, $2bn data center in Utah
As to the present topic.......what completely baffles me is all this Storage business has been happening for no less than twenty years an people did not seem to even notice........how is that possible ?
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| Re: NSA plans massive, 65MW, $2bn data center in Utah said by DataDoc :It's a test bed for solar power. Sort of prime the pump for that market. They already have a solar farm at Nellis AFB.
said by nitzan :Bad economy? not for the government apparently! Great use of OUR tax dollars... NOT. Considering the NSA/CSS is responsible for ensuring that no foreign entities have access to our secure networks, I would consider this to be a very valuable use of tax dollars. If you want to discuss waste, you'd better look at our current Congress and the money they've (and Obama/Bush Co.) tossed at worthless projects through TARP.
Besides, this is probably coming from the defense budget - so it's not like the money wasn't going to be spent anyways.
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| No calls from anyone yet, but maybe I'll get the chance to design and build some of the software for this center and get another picture of whoever the president is at the time standing in front of our 'big board'.
Now do I care what they have in this data center about me, nope as I was always surprised how much I was able to 'tour' the internet before and not get 'noticed', perhaps they really do a need a bigger better center, but the problem was always two fold, first data collection (and that doesn't necessarily mean gathering it, but gathering valid data which isn't going to screw up the analysis) and second processing what you have. If there ever was a system that was prone to counter intelligence this is it.
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1 edit | Bruce Schneier discussed the issue on his site. The following from one of his links:
From The Desert News
July 3, 2009 - quote:
The super-secretive National Security Agency is about to build a huge, $1.9 billion data center at Camp Williams, Utah, to help spy on communications worldwide.
The planned work there is so sensitive and classified that Utah's congressional delegation is declining to talk about it, saying it doesn't want to accidentally step over any lines about what can and cannot be disclosed.
But some interesting details are revealed in unclassified budget-request documents that the NSA sent to Congress.
... the center's mission will be to deliver "responsive, reliable, effective and expert signals-intelligence and information-assurance products and services" to enable "network-warfare operations to gain a decisive information advantage for the nation and our allies under all circumstances."
In other words, it will help with spying on communications.
Next item from the page comments:
Why Salt Lake City?
See this map: »www.neweconomyindex.org/metro/pa···ge5.html
SLC is one of the places with the most internet backbone capacity relative to demand, and functions as a choke-point for internet traffic across the nation.
This seems like an internet project, but not one aimed at defending the nation's internet from without (those international access points are not in SLC), but from within. It might be similar to the now retired FBI Carnivore program.
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