jeremyobi
join:2004-05-29
1 edit | [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install I need some help with my fios install which could not be done today.
I live in unit B of a two unit house my tenant lives in unit A I own both units. The problem is the Electric meters for both units are mounted on the side of unit A. This is a problem because I don't want to run my ont off my tenants utilities What can I do? Can I make a new ground somewhere else On the property? does the ont run off a regular 120 volt outlet? In desperate need of advice.
Thank you for your help
Jeremy | |
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Acc708
join:2008-06-28
1 edit | Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install Not sure why you would have to use the tenants facilities. Power can be run a good distance to be able to get power from your 120v outlet. The meter is strictly a location for grounding purposes. If the ground rod is there, they simply ground it, they do not get power there. You can run the ground wire I believe 20 ft. and the power another 35 -50. | |
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jeremyobi
join:2004-05-29
1 edit | Then where can they get power from. The tech said she would have to run it off the tenant utilities? Was she wrong?
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Jeremy | |
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More Fiber
Premium,MVM
join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
 ·Bay Area Internet ..
1 edit | Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install Is it less than 50 feet from a receptacle in your unit to where the ONT is?
If so, the BBU/PS can be mounted in your unit with the ONT where it is.
Or you give the tenant free internet service in return for powering the ONT.  | |
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Acc708
join:2008-06-28
| Without seeing your property, I cannot answer where you will get power from. As an example however, if your unit is an over under duplex, usually there is some place that it can be installed. Whether it be a closet, garage, etc... Pics would do wonders. | |
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brianmcd
join:2000-09-06
Norristown, PA
clubs: | Installation on a Saturday and a Nation Holiday.
Was this a Verizon Employee or a Contractor ? | |
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cmullen8
Ultraman
join:2004-06-10
Silver Spring, MD
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·ViaTalk
| Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install said by brianmcd  :Was this a Verizon Employee or a Contractor ? I can't offer much help here as far as the OP, but I do know VZ does not use contractors for FiOS installs. Only union member, VZ employees. | |
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Premium
join:2003-09-16
Pittsburgh, PA
| Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install said by cmullen8 : but I do know VZ does not use contractors for FiOS installs. They can in the Ex-GTE areas. | |
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jeremyobi
join:2004-05-29 | it's more than 50 feet. I will try to post pix with next daylight. | |
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jeremyobi
join:2004-05-29
1 edit | is the 50 feet restriction for power and fiber or just power? I wonder if I can buy a grounding rod and put it somewhere else closer to me?
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| EMC2
join:2007-08-21
Tampa, FL | Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install The 50' restriction is for the power line running from the battery backup unit to the ONT. The line carries 12V DC power and is a tad larger than a tv coax cable in size. | |
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jeremyobi
join:2004-05-29
| Thanks for all the quick help guys. How much fiber can they run in a given install? If I understand right you run fiber to ont and do rg6 off of that Does the bbu plug into a regular outlet? and can the ont stay outside?
I'll try and get some pix later today. | |
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More Fiber
Premium,MVM
join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
·Bay Area Internet ..
| Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install A ground rod is only allowed when there is no available primary electrical MGN, but you still need to bond the ground rod, via 6 gauge ground wire, back to the house's primary ground point
If the ONT is installed inside, the technician can use a 441 block to the ground the ONT to a 3 pronged grounded outlet.
No practical limit on the length of the fiber.
Correct regarding fiber to ONT and RG6 from the ONT.
Yes, BBU plugs into a regular grounded outlet. | |
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join:2004-05-29 | Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install and This 441 block stays inside with the ont?
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Acc708
join:2008-06-28
| said by More Fiber :A ground rod is only allowed when there is no available primary electrical MGN, but you still need to bond the ground rod, via 6 gauge ground wire, back to the house's primary ground point If the ONT is installed inside, the technician can use a 441 block to the ground the ONT to a 3 pronged grounded outlet. No practical limit on the length of the fiber. Correct regarding fiber to ONT and RG6 from the ONT. Yes, BBU plugs into a regular grounded outlet. The 441 is only permissable in an mdu. Someone would have to approve of it otherwise. | |
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More Fiber
Premium,MVM
join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
·Bay Area Internet ..
| Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install said by Acc708 :The 441 is only permissible in an mdu. Someone would have to approve of it otherwise. 2 units doesn't qualify as an MDU? | |
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Acc708
join:2008-06-28 | Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install nope | |
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join:2004-05-29
| Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install the county classifies my unit as a residential unit with multiple dwelling units that's how I got permission to build it. Can I make a good case for a 441 mdu? I got to find my camera. Just moved back from out of town. after getting my degree. The units share the same garage. I found an outdoor electrical outlet about 66 feet from the electric meter that would work if I could figure Some way to shorten the distance 16 feet? Could an electrician help somehow what would he need to do???
Thanks so much to everyone
Jeremy | |
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vz tech 2
join:2005-11-19
Richmond, VA
| How tall is your floor from the power meter? Ont has to be within 20 feet of meter for proper ground if more than 50 feet allow the tech to move the ont up and use that 20 foot allowance and then you gain more footage. or you could place the batteryback up unit in the other apartment and then extend the actual power supply the other footage. BBu has to be within 50 feet the actual power supply can be 100 feet from the ont. | |
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| drdumont
join:2007-05-07
Grand Prairie, TX | Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install Why don't you give the tenant a six pack or a couple of bucks a month. The charger/Power Supply doesn't draw enough to make that much difference, even at $.15 per kwh. | |
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birdfeedr
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install said by drdumont :Why don't you give the tenant a six pack or a couple of bucks a month. The charger/Power Supply doesn't draw enough to make that much difference, even at $.15 per kwh. If there are two meters, the tenant is repsonsible for the service. No tenant, or unpaid electric bill--when the power is shut off, landlord has no FiOS.
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join:2005-03-16
Flushing, NY | Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install He owns both units so I don't think that will matter much. | |
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jeremyobi
join:2004-05-29
1 edit | if we put the the ont in the attic of my tenant will it overheat. No temp control up there what are the temp tolerances of the ont?
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vz tech 2
join:2005-11-19
Richmond, VA
| read my post as to how to possibly shorten the distance. Also a apartment does not always constitute a mdu a mdu would either be a tellabs 625 or a motorola 1000 or a strand of fiber installed in a closet by verizon. As long as a drop is placed whether buried or arial it is not considered a mdu atleast in my area. | |
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jeremyobi
join:2004-05-29
| So If I understand vztech 2 right. Why can't I just have my ps and bbu by my outdoor electric outlet and run a 60 foot cord back to the ont by the electric meter? my tech seemed to think that the ont and the ps must be 50 feet apart.The ont must grounded not ps right? vztech 2 says they can be 100 feet between the ont and psu.
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nycdave
Premium,MVM
join:1999-11-16
Melville, NY | Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install The OPSU/BBU can't be exposed to the weather - they must be mounted indoors... | |
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jeremyobi
join:2004-05-29
1 edit | ok that's fine, but can i go 60 feet from the psu to ont as long as bbu and psu are 50 feet from each other?
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vz tech 2
join:2005-11-19
Richmond, VA
| The power supply and the bbu can be seperated from each other the bbu itself can not in theory be more than 50 feet from the ont because of the voltage drop if it has to power the ont off the battery. The pwr supply can be another 50 feet from the bbu for a total of 100 feet from the ont hope that clears it up as far as my explanation. | |
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| jeremyobi
join:2004-05-29
1 edit | Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install Does the 50 foot cord between the bbu and the psu have to be inside the have to be inside the houses or can the cord between them be outside?with the roof ledge protecting from rain.
I know the psu and bbu themselves have to be inside , but what about the cord between them.
thanks
Jeremy
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FIOS NJ
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| Just add an electrical outlet next to YOUR breaker box. Problem solved.Ground should be found inside somewhere around your breaker box.We do this everyday.....ONT ,GND, BBP all inside yeah!!!!!Stop making everything so hard....One way or another we would like you as a customer...Thank you for understanding.... | |
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birdfeedr
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install said by FIOS NJ :
Just add an electrical outlet next to YOUR breaker box. Problem solved.
OP never did describe the property. I think it's a side-by-side, with power coming in on one end to meters. His unit is on the other end, hence the distance question.
It's possible the power may be disconnected on the tenant's unit, hence ONT must be powered to his electrical service.
Supply going from his electric meter terminates in a breaker box too far away to meet VZ grounding rules with a easy install in the field.
An electrician will have to called to run an outlet from his breaker box to power the ONT. | |
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| | jeremyobi
join:2004-05-29
| Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install attached is a pdf drawing I'm going to try again Thursday with tech. Wish me luck. at least I have a game plan. Will move the ont up 8 foot vertical above meter. run cord to bbu in garage run cord to kitchen where psu will be.
Thanks for all the help
Jeremy | |
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jeremyobi
join:2004-05-29
| So I Post the conclusion for anyones interest. tech # 2 came out today Much better idea from tech 2 Will have electrician put a grounding rod near the gas meter on my side of the units put the ont there run everything normally with bbu opsu in my basement. I just hope the I can get the same guy out when I call the sup.
should have fios next week. yeah I hope.
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jeremyobi
join:2004-05-29
1 edit | I need to know If what my electrician wants to do is ok He want's to install the rod and ground to my 220 disconnect He insists this will work is it ok? He says This will have the same effect of running the 6 awg ground wire between the two points. and is a lot cheaper
$200 vs $600
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jeremyobi
join:2004-05-29 | Well after three long weeks I got it. | |
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