[ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install in Verizon Fiber Optics http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22655348 en Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:33:13 EDT Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:33:13 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22729677 jeremyobi : Well after three long weeks I got it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22729677 Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:43:02 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22701417 jeremyobi : I need to know If what my electrician wants to do is ok He want's to install the rod and ground to my 220 disconnect He insists this will work is it ok? He says This will have the same effect of running the 6 awg ground wire between the two points. and is a lot cheaper
$200 vs $600
Jeremy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22701417 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:47:14 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22695210 jeremyobi : I hope it does not cost over $500 to do this cause that's my limit.

will get an estimate next week.
Jeremy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22695210 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:44:11 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22693908 Pathfinder : I believe that any competent electrician would be aware of that fact as am I.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22693908 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 05:58:47 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22692493 PoloDude :
said by Pathfinder See Profile :

The electrician is installing a ground rod. Nothing to do with CATV or telecommunications. A simple procedure.
Yes it does. That ground rod needs to be bonded back to the main ground. The ONT will be grounded to the new ground rod.
It is not an option.
--
I'm not as good as I once was
but I'm as good once
as i ever was.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22692493 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:24:42 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22692080 Pathfinder : The electrician is installing a ground rod. Nothing to do with CATV or telecommunications. A simple procedure.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22692080 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:24:40 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22691935 anon : Electricians generally deal with electricity wiring. As good as they are i find they usually don't know all the rules when dealing with CATV or other communication services. Don't assume anything, go over job requirements.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22691935 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:46:40 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22690125 Pathfinder : Agreed but one can omly hope that a licensed electrician would be aware of that.
Of course he could do what I have seen done and ground to the gas meter. :o

(Just to be certain all know that you can not ground to a gas meter although I have see it.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22690125 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:13:52 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22682229 mystryfiostk : What he left out is that from the telco ground for the ONT, it needs to be bonded to the power company ground with 6 awg wire. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22682229 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:20:03 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22681944 jeremyobi : So I Post the conclusion for anyones interest. tech # 2 came out today Much better idea from tech 2 Will have electrician put a grounding rod near the gas meter on my side of the units put the ont there run everything normally with bbu opsu in my basement. I just hope the I can get the same guy out when I call the sup.
should have fios next week. yeah I hope.
JEREMY

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22681944 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:15:09 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22666376 jeremyobi : attached is a pdf drawing I'm going to try again Thursday with tech. Wish me luck. at least I have a game plan. Will move the ont up 8 foot vertical above meter. run cord to bbu in garage run cord to kitchen where psu will be.
Thanks for all the help
Jeremy
print.pdf
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22666376 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:39:28 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22665545 birdfeedr :
said by FIOS NJ :

Just add an electrical outlet next to YOUR breaker box. Problem solved.
OP never did describe the property. I think it's a side-by-side, with power coming in on one end to meters. His unit is on the other end, hence the distance question.

It's possible the power may be disconnected on the tenant's unit, hence ONT must be powered to his electrical service.

Supply going from his electric meter terminates in a breaker box too far away to meet VZ grounding rules with a easy install in the field.

An electrician will have to called to run an outlet from his breaker box to power the ONT.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22665545 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:03:36 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22663391 anon : Just add an electrical outlet next to YOUR breaker box. Problem solved.Ground should be found inside somewhere around your breaker box.We do this everyday.....ONT ,GND, BBP all inside yeah!!!!!Stop making everything so hard....One way or another we would like you as a customer...Thank you for understanding....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22663391 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:26:12 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22663165 jeremyobi : Does the 50 foot cord between the bbu and the psu have to be inside the have to be inside the houses or can the cord between them be outside?with the roof ledge protecting from rain.

I know the psu and bbu themselves have to be inside , but what about the cord between them.

thanks
Jeremy
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22663165 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:41:13 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22662803 vz tech 2 : The power supply and the bbu can be seperated from each other the bbu itself can not in theory be more than 50 feet from the ont because of the voltage drop if it has to power the ont off the battery. The pwr supply can be another 50 feet from the bbu for a total of 100 feet from the ont hope that clears it up as far as my explanation.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22662803 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:39:50 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22661928 jeremyobi : ok that's fine, but can i go 60 feet from the psu to ont as long as bbu and psu are 50 feet from each other?

jeremy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22661928 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:10:13 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22661805 nycdave : The OPSU/BBU can't be exposed to the weather - they must be mounted indoors...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22661805 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:50:39 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22661530 jeremyobi : So If I understand vztech 2 right. Why can't I just have my ps and bbu by my outdoor electric outlet and run a 60 foot cord back to the ont by the electric meter? my tech seemed to think that the ont and the ps must be 50 feet apart.The ont must grounded not ps right? vztech 2 says they can be 100 feet between the ont and psu.
thanks
Jeremy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22661530 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:06:38 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22660338 vz tech 2 : read my post as to how to possibly shorten the distance. Also a apartment does not always constitute a mdu a mdu would either be a tellabs 625 or a motorola 1000 or a strand of fiber installed in a closet by verizon. As long as a drop is placed whether buried or arial it is not considered a mdu atleast in my area.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22660338 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:31:59 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22660301 jeremyobi : the county classifies my unit as a residential unit with multiple dwelling units that's how I got permission to build it. Can I make a good case for a 441 mdu? I got to find my camera. Just moved back from out of town. after getting my degree. The units share the same garage. I found an outdoor electrical outlet about 66 feet from the electric meter that would work if I could figure Some way to shorten the distance 16 feet? Could an electrician help somehow what would he need to do???
Thanks so much to everyone

Jeremy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22660301 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:21:14 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22659752 Acc708 : nope]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22659752 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 07:26:16 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22658850 More Fiber :
said by Acc708 See Profile :

The 441 is only permissible in an mdu. Someone would have to approve of it otherwise.
2 units doesn't qualify as an MDU?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22658850 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:17:28 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22658826 Acc708 :
said by More Fiber See Profile :

A ground rod is only allowed when there is no available primary electrical MGN, but you still need to bond the ground rod, via 6 gauge ground wire, back to the house's primary ground point

If the ONT is installed inside, the technician can use a 441 block to the ground the ONT to a 3 pronged grounded outlet.

No practical limit on the length of the fiber.

Correct regarding fiber to ONT and RG6 from the ONT.

Yes, BBU plugs into a regular grounded outlet.
The 441 is only permissable in an mdu. Someone would have to approve of it otherwise. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22658826 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:11:29 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22658586 MacAlert : He owns both units so I don't think that will matter much.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22658586 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:09:00 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22658515 birdfeedr :
said by drdumont See Profile :

Why don't you give the tenant a six pack or a couple of bucks a month. The charger/Power Supply doesn't draw enough to make that much difference, even at $.15 per kwh.
If there are two meters, the tenant is repsonsible for the service. No tenant, or unpaid electric bill--when the power is shut off, landlord has no FiOS.

And that's a sad thing. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22658515 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:52:31 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22657222 jeremyobi : if we put the the ont in the attic of my tenant will it overheat. No temp control up there what are the temp tolerances of the ont?

jeremy ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22657222 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:13:55 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22657116 drdumont : Why don't you give the tenant a six pack or a couple of bucks a month. The charger/Power Supply doesn't draw enough to make that much difference, even at $.15 per kwh.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22657116 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:36:56 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22657033 vz tech 2 : How tall is your floor from the power meter? Ont has to be within 20 feet of meter for proper ground if more than 50 feet allow the tech to move the ont up and use that 20 foot allowance and then you gain more footage. or you could place the batteryback up unit in the other apartment and then extend the actual power supply the other footage. BBu has to be within 50 feet the actual power supply can be 100 feet from the ont.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22657033 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:06:44 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656911 jeremyobi : and This 441 block stays inside with the ont?

Jeremy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656911 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:20:23 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656640 More Fiber : A ground rod is only allowed when there is no available primary electrical MGN, but you still need to bond the ground rod, via 6 gauge ground wire, back to the house's primary ground point

If the ONT is installed inside, the technician can use a 441 block to the ground the ONT to a 3 pronged grounded outlet.

No practical limit on the length of the fiber.

Correct regarding fiber to ONT and RG6 from the ONT.

Yes, BBU plugs into a regular grounded outlet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656640 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:57:11 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656518 jeremyobi : Thanks for all the quick help guys. How much fiber can they run in a given install? If I understand right you run fiber to ont and do rg6 off of that Does the bbu plug into a regular outlet? and can the ont stay outside?

I'll try and get some pix later today. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656518 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:21:42 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656488 EMC2 : The 50' restriction is for the power line running from the battery backup unit to the ONT. The line carries 12V DC power and is a tad larger than a tv coax cable in size.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656488 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:10:48 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656470 jeremyobi : is the 50 feet restriction for power and fiber or just power? I wonder if I can buy a grounding rod and put it somewhere else closer to me?
jeremy ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656470 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:03:35 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656366 JohnA :
said by cmullen8 See Profile :

but I do know VZ does not use contractors for FiOS installs.
They can in the Ex-GTE areas.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656366 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:01:29 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656357 cmullen8 :
said by brianmcd See Profile :

Was this a Verizon Employee or a Contractor ?
I can't offer much help here as far as the OP, but I do know VZ does not use contractors for FiOS installs. Only union member, VZ employees.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656357 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:52:21 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656093 brianmcd : Installation on a Saturday and a Nation Holiday.

Was this a Verizon Employee or a Contractor ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22656093 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:06:32 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655447 jeremyobi : it's more than 50 feet. I will try to post pix with next daylight.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655447 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:24:11 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655431 Acc708 : Without seeing your property, I cannot answer where you will get power from. As an example however, if your unit is an over under duplex, usually there is some place that it can be installed. Whether it be a closet, garage, etc... Pics would do wonders.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655431 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:18:10 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655429 More Fiber : Is it less than 50 feet from a receptacle in your unit to where the ONT is?

If so, the BBU/PS can be mounted in your unit with the ONT where it is.

Or you give the tenant free internet service in return for powering the ONT. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655429 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:17:49 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655420 jeremyobi : Then where can they get power from. The tech said she would have to run it off the tenant utilities? Was she wrong?
thanks
Jeremy ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655420 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:14:08 EDT Re: [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655382 Acc708 : Not sure why you would have to use the tenants facilities. Power can be run a good distance to be able to get power from your 120v outlet. The meter is strictly a location for grounding purposes. If the ground rod is there, they simply ground it, they do not get power there. You can run the ground wire I believe 20 ft. and the power another 35 -50.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655382 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:01:18 EDT [ fiber tech] Help!! failed fios install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655348 jeremyobi : I need some help with my fios install which could not be done today.

I live in unit B of a two unit house my tenant lives in unit A I own both units. The problem is the Electric meters for both units are mounted on the side of unit A. This is a problem because I don't want to run my ont off my tenants utilities What can I do? Can I make a new ground somewhere else On the property? does the ont run off a regular 120 volt outlet? In desperate need of advice.
Thank you for your help
Jeremy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22655348 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:51:29 EDT