salamence502
join:2008-04-04 | reply to Angelo_
Re: 6 firetrucks at 151
No pictures of the fire?  |
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Angelo_
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one of the datacenters i was in didn't use water... it used another method which actually works better... it counts on a few factors what can be done to fight fires... |
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nklb
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What about if the building houses components necessary for the fire department's internet connection?  |
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jfmezei
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What a fire department uses at a building will depend on whether the building has special deal with the fire department.
#1 job is to save lives
#2 job is to prevent the fire from spreading to other buildings
#3 job is to prevent building from collapsing
saving some computers is at the very low end of their normal priorities.
Building code still requires water sprinklers even if you have sophisticated fire suppression systems. The building's job is to bring fire under control before fire department gets there or before water sprinklers are triggered automatically.
For a building like 151, I would hope the building owners would have made arrangements with the fire department so that the later would be informed of the nature of thebuilding, presence of large amounts of lead acid batteries, and diesel tanks/generators, lots of power conduits etc. Throwing water at large bank of overheated batteries is extremely dangerous (causes an epxlosion because water causes the batterioes to short, especially salt water (for submarines especially).
And if they have their own internal fire fighting capability (CO2 etc), I would hope that the building would trigger it before allowing firemen in there with axes and foam extinguishers, unless the fire is already contrlolled/limited to a small place and not spreading.
One way to get the fire dept to treat the building with white gloves would be to get that building to house the fire department's communication systems... they'd think twice about rampaging in there with their axes and what not  |
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Angelo_
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said by joshb  :said by Angelo_ : its a foam solution i forget what it is called... LOL yeah fore-sure they would... I have big container of it at the office as well. I don't remember the name of it. I do remember going through some training where they told us we could make almost the same solution using a mixture of pressurized air, liquid dish soap and water... I don't remember the rest of it as I have thank fully never needed to make it my self. i have 3 in the house myself only used it once on a server..., it works very well, i need to buy the one for greese fires though! |
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said by Angelo_ : its a foam solution i forget what it is called... LOL yeah fore-sure they would... I have big container of it at the office as well. I don't remember the name of it. I do remember going through some training where they told us we could make almost the same solution using a mixture of pressurized air, liquid dish soap and water... I don't remember the rest of it as I have thank fully never needed to make it my self.
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Angelo_
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join:2002-06-18 | reply to joshb
they wouldn't use water in this situation, its a foam solution i forget what it is called...
canadian tire sells it! |
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joshb
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said by Jaser :
So, why bother sending all of the pumpers anyway?
In a datacentre, at what point do they start actually using water to suppress a fire? As water would surely damage plenty of equipment, especially as all of the serious electrical stuff is on the roof or top level (bad planning?).
Do they still use halon based oxygen gas depletors (once the place is fully evacuated) ???
Toronto fire department like all fire departments have very standardized protocols. What YYZ fire did last night was exactly what I expect of fire department in that kind of situation. Kill the power and deal with any hazards that might be dangerous to people. The only reason they care what is in building is so they know what is proper tools to deal with the hazard at hand.
As for using water. Probably not. Most likely they would have used a foam based solution. Straight water on Battery acid is not a good thing.
151 front is not the newest in data centers. The newer data centers do have fm-200 as well as other suppression systems in place. At the end of day though nothing makes up for good maintenance and techs doing there job 100% correctly.
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51019512
join:2009-05-19
151 Front St
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said by Jaser :
So, why bother sending all of the pumpers anyway?
In a datacentre, at what point do they start actually using water to suppress a fire? As water would surely damage plenty of equipment, especially as all of the serious electrical stuff is on the roof or top level (bad planning?).
Do they still use halon based oxygen gas depletors (once the place is fully evacuated) ???
They do not care what's in the building. Thats a standard response. And the point they use water is upto whoever the highest ranking fireman on site. |
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Killa200
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most new and retrofitted data centers try and steer away from halon in suggestion of another oxygen depletion of smother method of suppressing fire.... just because of the evac issue (or most importantly the fact that sometimes that evac doesn't happen.) But yes, they are supposed to (if they value their customers and ability to use their insurance policy) have a method of extinguishing the fire that doesn't involve ruining all the equipment, with water coming into play if that fails out.
Also keep in mind though some fire departments have a foaming agent that can be used in electrical fires that is non damaging as well.... |
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HeadSpinning
join:2005-05-29
Windsor, ON
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said by Jaser :
So, why bother sending all of the pumpers anyway?
In a datacentre, at what point do they start actually using water to suppress a fire? As water would surely damage plenty of equipment, especially as all of the serious electrical stuff is on the roof or top level (bad planning?).
Do they still use halon based oxygen gas depletors (once the place is fully evacuated) ???
Life safety is primary, property protection is secondary. If they need to use water to preserve life, they will.
Halon is no longer used in new installations. FM-200 seems to be the fire suppression gas of choice these days. As a plus, it is non-fatal to anyone caught in the room when the system discharges. |
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Jaser
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So, why bother sending all of the pumpers anyway?
In a datacentre, at what point do they start actually using water to suppress a fire? As water would surely damage plenty of equipment, especially as all of the serious electrical stuff is on the roof or top level (bad planning?).
Do they still use halon based oxygen gas depletors (once the place is fully evacuated) ??? |
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51019512
join:2009-05-19
151 Front St
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I just got the email for the fire. Thats what happens when your down and email can't come in I suppose.
FRONT ST, TT
LN W UNIVERSITY N FRONT / SIMCOE ST
2009-07-05 02:19:57
F09073783
Fire - Highrise Residential
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332
S331, P332, P325, T331, C33, C31, HR332, |
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Jazdi
@acanac.net | reply to MikeGeiger
Still up on Acanac, which obviously goes through Front St too... |
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shubjero
join:2008-12-06 | reply to shubjero
annnnnd im back up. |
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shubjero
join:2008-12-06 | reply to MikeGeiger
hah, i think my router gave up
but i cant tell, since im working remotely right now.. |
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TSI Nick
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The powers back on and everything is coming back up online, the radius servers looks like it's being slammed at the moment from the all the requests.
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justen
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Well, we're up and running on redundant bandwidth for right now (thanks to my BlackBerry, which spent most of the early morning hours trying to wake me up with ping status and network monitoring warning messages). It's sounding like there wasn't any extensive damage to any equipment, so hopefully we'll see TekSavvy back up and running shortly.
Early morning, mostly off-topic rambling: about ten years ago, I worked for a small telecom company in West Virginia. Their data center was, for whatever reason, located below ground level. Naturally, that "once in a hundred years" event came... A water main burst and flooded much of downtown Charleston, including the data center. Taught me, early on, the importance of a good disaster recovery plan...
Let us in the TSI community know where to send the donations for coffee... Tim ought to deliver.
justen
(p.s. It actually looks like they may be back online.) |
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David_T
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said by AOD :i did a little peering so far we have known to us. that either the whole building is in lock-down(unconfirmed) reports of other users pulling/preparing their equipment on floors below or above.(confirmed by few users) Its a 2 alarm blaze meaning... 5 pumpers, 2 aerials, 1 squad, 1 hazardous materials truck, 1 air supply vehicle, 1 incident command vehicle 2 district chiefs, 1 platoon chief And a partridge in a pear tree. 
Woke up, had no connection, and immediately loaded twitter on my Android phone. I saw Rocky's tweet about the fire. Thank God for the internet... wait. |
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said by xxgg :Test@test does connect. Just an FYI for the future. Yes test@test will work. test@test only goes as far back as the local BAS. It's a local C/O level test. It does not even come close to making it to 151 front street.
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