DJMASACRE
join:2008-05-27
Nepean, ON
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to static416
Re: Its the Traffic Management Super Bowl!
said by static416  :Wow, they explicitly asked if ISP-determined traffic shaping being used in Canada, and he dodged the question. ¨but will not address the issue , of congestion ¨
thats right .. Juniper agrees.
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drewis
Premium
join:2006-09-04
Hamilton, ON | reply to static416
lol
the concerns are basically the concerns |
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DJMASACRE
join:2008-05-27
Nepean, ON | reply to O G
awww.. she was nailing Juniper with the big question about DPI and they simply said ¨our DPI isnt as advanced.. it may or may not be possible , we may not be the best vendor to ask about that ¨
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mlerner
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join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON | Well vendors often offer different features in their products. It would have been better if the actual vendor that Bell uses showed up to present. |
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DJMASACRE
join:2008-05-27
Nepean, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| said by mlerner :Well vendors often offer different features in their products. It would have been better if the actual vendor that Bell uses showed up to present. I thought that was Sandvine ? |
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static416
join:2007-01-26
Toronto, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
| reply to mlerner
said by mlerner :Well vendors often offer different features in their products. It would have been better if the actual vendor that Bell uses showed up to present. I think the bigger issue is that Juniper doesn't want to talk negatively about the ways their product could be used by ISPs.
It's like asking a gun manufacturer if their product could be used to kill people. They'd say "depends on the way the product is implemented" |
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mlerner
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join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
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·Bell Sympatico
| reply to DJMASACRE
said by DJMASACRE :said by mlerner :Well vendors often offer different features in their products. It would have been better if the actual vendor that Bell uses showed up to present. I thought that was Sandvine ? I thought there was another one but could be Sandvine, my memory isn't too good right now. |
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Lewism8
join:2008-04-25
Quebec, QC
1 edit | reply to DJMASACRE
Sandwine sold dpi boxes to Comcast. I can't remember the company for Bell, all I know it start with an E :P
*Edit*
Ellacoya  |
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DJMASACRE
join:2008-05-27
Nepean, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to static416
said by static416 :said by mlerner :Well vendors often offer different features in their products. It would have been better if the actual vendor that Bell uses showed up to present. I think the bigger issue is that Juniper doesn't want to talk negatively about the ways their product could be used by ISPs. It's like asking a gun manufacturer if their product could be used to kill people. They'd say "depends on the way the product is implemented" I know, they backed away from the serious questions. They do not want to get involved and say the wrong things when it comes to that stuff, just like to show what could be possible from a network engineer standpoint. |
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static416
join:2007-01-26
Toronto, ON
1 edit | reply to Lewism8
Boo ya! The questioner is reasserting that Junipers answers should be directly addressed to the real world discrimination issue, rather than "theoretical solutions" |
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DJMASACRE
join:2008-05-27
Nepean, ON
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·Bell Sympatico
1 edit | said by static416 :Boo ya! The questioner is reasserting that Junipers answers should be directly addressed to the discrimination issue, rather than "theoretical solutions" perfect ! ... looks like the CRTC finally decided to get real answers this time !
which will choke the bad guys and make it easier for the good guys ( weve been giving straight up answers this whole time ) =)
* SMOKE BREAK * |
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mlerner
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join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON | reply to O G
lol now he's saying they're not interested in "profiling subscribers" but the ISPs are! And I know some ISPs are certainly using DPI that way. |
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static416
join:2007-01-26
Toronto, ON
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·Rogers Hi-Speed
| said by mlerner :lol now he's saying they're not interested in "profiling subscribers" but the ISPs are! And I know some ISPs are certainly using DPI that way. And just as it seems like they're getting on track, they cut for a break and let Juniper go.
I must say that it seems like the CRTC has good questions, but they are kinda getting the run around on the answers. They need to be a little more aggressive in getting real answers to existing issues.
Juniper and Sandvine weren't exactly dishonest in their answers, but they basically refused to talk openly about the ways the ISPs actually use their product. Instead they stayed in 'theoretical land' where everything is rosey, and the consumer has all the power. |
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derekm
join:2008-02-26
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| reply to FlagVictim
said by FlagVictim :said by R0CKY :2008-19 Public Hearing Details [...] [Last day, Final Word:] Monday, 13 July 2009 Appearing individually 29. Rogers Communications Inc. 30. Telus Communications Company 31. Shaw Communications Inc. 32. Bell Aliant Communications Partnership and Bell Canada Hey, rather telling how it's /these/ characters who comprise the closing commentators. Someone needs to smack the CRTC with the regulatory-capture/regular-whore rubber hose. +1 !!! |
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static416
join:2007-01-26
Toronto, ON | reply to static416
"The responsibility is on ISPs to explain how traffic management and DPI do not violate common carriage rules. It should not be up to the consumer to beg for fair treatment." |
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overrryde
join:2007-04-10
Etobicoke, ON | reply to O G
is any of this beeing captured/streamed? |
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DJMASACRE
join:2008-05-27
Nepean, ON
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·Bell Sympatico
| said by overrryde :is any of this beeing captured/streamed? I hope so ...
I would but I am at work right now |
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milnoc
join:2001-03-05
H3B | reply to O G
The consumer panel's presentation is driving me nuts. DEMONSTRATE SOME SHOWMANSHIP FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! The presentation is making me fall asleep! Why does EVERY presentation in front of the CRTC has to be so incredibly boring? |
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jfmezei
Premium
join:2007-01-03
Beaconsfield, QC | reply to DJMASACRE
CRTC are recording and will produce transcriptions of the presentations. |
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static416
join:2007-01-26
Toronto, ON
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·Rogers Hi-Speed
| reply to overrryde
said by overrryde :is any of this beeing captured/streamed? Streamed here: »www.crtc.gc.ca/streaming/stream1-floor.htm
Don't know if it's being captured.
said by DJMASACRE :I hope so ... I would but I am at work right now I'm at work too. But I am not working. My productivity this week is going to be very low. |
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