http://www.dslreports.com/forum/General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Working-22659489 en Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:14:53 EDT Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:14:53 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22711107 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22711107 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:39:16 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22669342 said by unknvoip:

Good luck with that. Please double and triple check that there are no devices on the line. An old answering machine, modem or fax device that should not be there but is connected somewhere you forgot to look.

It is hard to imagine a short developing without some sort of catastrophic event occurring.

Maybe it is one of your wall jacks had a wire get pushed up the the next.
Thanks, I know for sure nothing in plugged in to any of the jacks at this point. I have gone to each and every one in the house and have double checked. Most are in easy acces locations but some are going to be hard to take off the wall becaus of furniture in front of them. So, will check the jack contacts first and see if there are pins shorting. Then, off comes the plat and a check of shorting on the plate. The how is wired throughout with cat3 and all pairs are connected to each jack. Lots of room for shorting there. House is about 7years old so all the wire should be sound. Just not looking forward to the tedious task ahead.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22669342 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:05:41 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22669139 Next, I would start by pulling the jack that the ATA is plugged into. It probably has 2 cat3 cables in it. Disconnect them from the jack and check the blue pairs for shorts. Connect the un shorted pair back onto the jack and connect the ATA back up. Using a working phone; go to each jack and find which ones work.
Then using the meter pull the next jack, disconnect the blue pair and look for the shorted jack.
Repeat that with the rest of the un working jacks. When you find one that doesn't have any shorts: go back to the last 2 jacks. find the blue pair that is shorted and use the green pair on that wire, then do the same on the other jack.
That should fix it.

Good luck]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22669139 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:27:57 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22668446
It is hard to imagine a short developing without some sort of catastrophic event occurring.

Maybe it is one of your wall jacks had a wire get pushed up the the next.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22668446 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:41:25 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22668442
If the previously good test pair is now shorted, you know the problem is not between the NID and the jack you are testing. Go from this point and test down the line.

Yeah, kind of a pain but you may not have to pull every jack.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22668442 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:40:44 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22668115 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22668115 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:33:11 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22667202 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22667202 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:28:47 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22665909
I am beginning to think there may be an issue with the ATA driving the house wiring and the phones.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22665909 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:03:24 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22664224 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22664224 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:40:45 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22662707 said by degauss1:

Guess a quick trip to radio shack is in order....

So best bet with a meter is to test across blue at the NID? Should be easy enough.
Yeah, figured that is the easiest access to the pair you need to test.

If the meter you get has a continuity test on it that beeps when there is a short, that would be the quickest method. Don't buy anything too expensive.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22662707 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:20:38 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22662633
So best bet with a meter is to test across blue at the NID? Should be easy enough. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22662633 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:08:38 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22662466
If you don't have a meter, it might cost less than a new phone. :)

Edit:
Oh, and I just reread the post where you said you don't have a meter.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22662466 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:40:52 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22662441
You should see an open on the pair and not see it shorted or 0 ohms.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22662441 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:38:11 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22662391 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22662391 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:30:20 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22662162 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22662162 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:51:34 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22662111
So, current results:

1. removed all phones from all wall jacks, plugged in ata to wall jack with a single pair known working phone cord. result - no flashing line 1 (or 2 as I tested both) on the ATA as before.
2. tested each phone and phone cord directly into ata, all phones and cords work
3. reset ATA, plugged in to wall jack,tested each wall jack with multiple phones with a 1pair phone cord, no dial tone anywhere.

Very frustrating situation. Might just say screw it and get a new cordless multi-phone setup from Costco. Would at least give me phones throughout the house again. Still gotta figure out root cause and cure though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22662111 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:42:37 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22662045
If you reconnect everything as it originally was (including the RCA desk phone), do you still see the line light flash? If so, disconnect whatever's connected to Line 1 of the RCA phone. If that does not resolve the problem, reconnect line 1 and disconnect line 2.

Are you using single-pair wires between the wall and your phones, or double-pair wires? If you're feeding your 2-line RCA phone's Line 1 with a 2-pair wire, you could be feeding "Line 2" from two different sources inadvertently. Make sure you only have one pair of wires feeding into each of the RCA phone's inputs, and see if that fixes the issue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22662045 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:30:35 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22662005 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22662005 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:24:52 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22661966 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22661966 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:17:17 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22661952
I posted a recent 'how-to' in the VT forum for a poster with an issue that may have been induced by a surge as he had equipment damaged. I don't know if it helped the OP because he went away and never followed up, but I think it could help you instead. Make sure there is no other devices connected that you forgot about. I once had an answering machine connected to a line that was answering even though the device was turned 'off'. Inside it's silly little analog brain, it thought it should answer the call and made it look like I had a weird issue with VT, when all I had was a personal problem ;)

Here is the link: »Re: should I go and check my house wiring?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22661952 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:13:41 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22661837
The line 1 and 2 are wired how into you house jacks? Are you using a 2 line adapter and plugging that into your wall outlet to get the 2 lines throughout the house??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22661837 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:56:23 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22661697 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22661697 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:36:35 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22661649
So you are saying that with no phones connected anywhere in the house and the adapter plugged into the wall, the lights on the adapter look like they should when no one is using the phone. But if you plug in a known good phone into any of the jacks, the phone does not work. Is this correct??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22661649 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:29:18 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22661621
IMO, your best troubleshooting tool in this situation is a standard trimline phone--doesn't require external power, no bells and whistles inside (well, if it's an old trimline, it might have bells. :D )...

If you connect all of your lines back the way they were, does your adapter light still flash? If so, try leaving everything connected, and disconnect one phone at a time to see which unit is the culprit...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22661621 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:23:31 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22661544

NID Shot 1

NID Shot 2

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22661544 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:08:35 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22661038 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22661038 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:38:04 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22660170 First un plug all of your phones in the house (even the ones no body ever uses).

Then connect one phone at a time into your ATA.

Then try connecting the house wiring back to the ATA without any phones connected yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22660170 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:54:41 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22659915
How is your wiring setup? Does it loop from jack to jack or is there a cable for each jack going back to a central point?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Worki-22659915 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:49:41 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Working-22659489 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/General-Backfeeding-VoIP-Line-To-whole-House-Stopped-Working-22659489 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:38:30 EDT