ender7074
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Re: For what
DVR boxes cost a lot more than 300-400 bucks. More like 1200 bucks. If someone wants to buy one they should be free to. They should also be free to pay to have the thing repaired if it breaks... I went through 3 DVR boxes in as many years. Had I not been renting that box, that would have been a ton of cash.
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chemaupr
join:2005-06-06
Alexandria, VA
| $1200 are you insaine? That will make the rental of one at least $33 buck a month assuming a breakeven in the hardware at 36 month. Not even the cable companies will buy something like that to lease...
Look at the average HD playback hardware *they have similar if not superior components* out there... then add 50 bucks for an 80 gigs hd or so... That is what it should be priced at retail which means it porbably cost less to make.... |
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sonicmerlin
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$1200? Are you nuts? More like sub $100. |
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baineschile
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said by chemaupr  :$1200 are you insaine? That will make the rental of one at least $33 buck a month assuming a breakeven in the hardware at 36 month. Not even the cable companies will buy something like that to lease... Look at the average HD playback hardware *they have similar if not superior components* out there... then add 50 bucks for an 80 gigs hd or so... That is what it should be priced at retail which means it porbably cost less to make.... Thats how much it may cost the consumer. Remember, cable buys in bulk |
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baineschile
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said by sonicmerlin :$1200? Are you nuts? More like sub $100. A Tivo series 3 is $300-400, and thats with no tuner. |
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jmn1207
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Reston, VA | reply to baineschile
A top of the line Tivo or Moxi multi-tuner HD DVR's costs far less than $1200. |
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Youngjm
join:2002-04-01
Ada, MI | reply to baineschile
With competition, the price will come down! |
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avd706
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said by baineschile :said by sonicmerlin :$1200? Are you nuts? More like sub $100. A Tivo series 3 is $300-400, and thats with no tuner. How much do dual cable cards and switching adapters cost?
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Cthen
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said by baineschile :said by chemaupr :$1200 are you insaine? That will make the rental of one at least $33 buck a month assuming a breakeven in the hardware at 36 month. Not even the cable companies will buy something like that to lease... Look at the average HD playback hardware *they have similar if not superior components* out there... then add 50 bucks for an 80 gigs hd or so... That is what it should be priced at retail which means it porbably cost less to make.... Thats how much it may cost the consumer. Remember, cable buys in bulk What makes you think retailers don't buy in bulk? 
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dcdeadbeat
join:2008-10-07
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said by sonicmerlin :$1200? Are you nuts? More like sub $100. When you were able to buy DVRs from Dish Network they were in the $800-$1000 range. The price was so high that Dish Network switched over to a lease structure. It is no surprise that the cable companies do the same thing. Most people have no idea how much these things actually cost.
The problem is that the American consumer has gotten used to cheap, subsidized equipment. We can blame the cell phone companies for that. So now that everyone is clamoring for "I want to own my own equipment". Well you can....just open up your wallet. |
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fiberguy
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join:2005-05-20
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When a TON of customers buy boxes, they too are "buying in bulk" .. that is IF there is this flood of customers rushing out to buy a "consumer owned box".. which has still yet to happen even though the law changed a while back.
Seems there just isn't a market for this..
I think it's funny how we're now back to.. what was it again...? .. oh yea, "Legislating from the bench".. the Republican battle-cry from the past few years. |
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majortom1029
join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY | reply to jmn1207
Yeah but then tivo also charges you monthly for the service. |
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jmn1207
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| said by majortom1029 :Yeah but then tivo also charges you monthly for the service. It's an option to pay monthly or purchase a lifetime subscription. The consumer has a choice based their needs. Moxi includes this in the overall price of the DVR, which makes it a bit more expensive than an equivalent Tivo.
Your cable company has to pay for their guide to be updated as well, it's just that they pass along this cost in the bill, and more than likely as part of the rental fee for the cable box. It really just depends on how the invoice is broken out. |
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fiberguy
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said by ender7074 :DVR boxes cost a lot more than 300-400 bucks. More like 1200 bucks. They are not $1,200 bucks.. they have been shown to sell for about $500-ish.. even the cable company pays about $350 to $400 for them.
»www.bestbuy.ca/search/searchresu···arch=KWS
This is the closest model you're going to get to establish consumer cost.
It's STILL way up there though and those wanting to purchase them are plain silly... on top of the fee to purchase, retailers are going to make a big killing by "raping customers" with their "extended warranty" programs by adding another $100 for the 3 year "protection" plan.
So, in about 3 years, a consumer would just about break even with their then/now outdated converter box.
As for the SD boxes.. sure, the consumer will save a butt-load of money on rental fees.. probably break even in under a year or about and still get to worry about upgrading technology and repairing the box when it malfunctions... but there's nothing to worry about becuase we ALL know they are incredibly dependable, right? 
The other reason I'm against consumer owned boxes.. the CHEAPEST of the cheapskates will ULTIMATELY be the ones that slow progress down. When the providers decide it's time to upgrade to a new delivery model or technology, doing so will be a pain in the ass when all the people that purchased boxes cry foul that their customer owned equipment will no longer work.
It wouldn't be the first time that a system has swapped out all CPE converters for new stuff..
Customer owned boxes will most likely come - in time, but not when there is a major transition curve coming ahead with MPEG 4, SDV, and other technologies that MAY invalidate the equipment already in the home... just ask all those happy Tivo users in Hawaii. |
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jmn1207
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2 edits | I don't think it should be any different than cable modems. You can rent, or you can buy the same model, in many cases, right down the street at Best Buy. Not everyone would do it, and it probably would not become the norm, but it would be nice to have the choice.
Edit: Without this option, there is almost no consumer control over the cost for rental fees. How high will these HD DVR prices go? Will we be paying $25 or more to rent the next DVR with a 500GB hard drive? |
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jwersan
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said by dcdeadbeat :said by sonicmerlin :$1200? Are you nuts? More like sub $100. When you were able to buy DVRs from Dish Network they were in the $800-$1000 range. The price was so high that Dish Network switched over to a lease structure. It is no surprise that the cable companies do the same thing. Most people have no idea how much these things actually cost. My last two Dish DVRS were less that $200.
I own both...
SD single tuner boxes.
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said by sonicmerlin :$1200? Are you nuts? More like sub $100. I'm sure all the licensing for all the tech on the box is more than that.
Macrovision
MediaCipher
PowerKey
HDCP
5C DTCP
CGMS-A
Dolby Digital
HDMI
Firewire
USB
MPEG-2
MPEG-4
OCAP/tru2way
CableCARD
MoCA
DOCSIS
DVR Patent Licensing
etc.
Even the non-DVR DCX3200 probably runs at least $200, not including licensing for the Guide software, VOD apps, or any extra software on it....
You do remember that software licensing is extra right? |
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dcdeadbeat
join:2008-10-07
Washington, DC
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said by jwersan :said by dcdeadbeat :said by sonicmerlin :$1200? Are you nuts? More like sub $100. When you were able to buy DVRs from Dish Network they were in the $800-$1000 range. The price was so high that Dish Network switched over to a lease structure. It is no surprise that the cable companies do the same thing. Most people have no idea how much these things actually cost. My last two Dish DVRS were less that $200. I own both... SD single tuner boxes. Yes but a multi tuner DVR would cost significantly more than $200. And I am willing to bet that your two Dish tuners are not HD. HD DVRs require more processing power and larger hard drives than SD DVRs.
So my point is that the cost of these DVRs is so high that it would not make sense for any of the content providers (sat, cable, or fiber) to offer them for sale. Consumers want cheap, up front costs and so we have leases. |
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jwersan
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| I said in my post that they were SD receivers...
I bought these DIRECTLY from DISH new, when HD was NOT available yet.
My point is that like others have said, if people were able to buy their own equipment, the price would be nowhere as high as the prices quoted here.
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KoolMoe
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What did I miss? What box can I buy anywhere that will work with my FIOS TV connection?
The law changed. Why no product? Truly because manufacturers don't believe there's a market? Or because CableLabs is dicking around with the standards?
I would love to buy two HD boxes and 1 DVR box instead of paying $45/month for them.
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