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quatrixPremium
join:2005-02-11
Davie, FL
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1 edit | I'm curious... how many people who are "against" the RIAA, MPAA, government, authority, the law, etc. DON'T pirate. They're the only ones who'd have any credibility. The rest are like burglars complaining about the police cracking down on burglary. | |
|   baineschile2600 ways to livePremium
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Sterling Heights, MI | Re: I'm curious... If I buy a DVD, do I have a right to digitally download it? If I own a CD, but want to put MP3s on my IPod, can I download them? Not all pirating should constitute immediate thoughts to stealing. | |
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| Re: I'm curious... said by baineschile:If I buy a DVD, do I have a right to digitally download it? If I own a CD, but want to put MP3s on my IPod, can I download them? Not all pirating should constitute immediate thoughts to stealing. Unfortunately for your argument, the answer to both of your questions is "no" under the copyright law. Therefore, downloading an MP3 from Pirate Bay or wherever, when you own the CD, is in fact "stealing" or whatever word you want to use -- it is a copyright violation.
You may not agree with or like this, but it is a fact. | |
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| Re: I'm curious... I should amend my statement. The correct answer to your questions is: "it's up to the copyright owner". However it is quite unusual for a copyright owner to give you the right to download a digital copy of a CD/DVD that you have purchased. So in most cases the answer is "no". | |
| | | |  sivranBack to Opera againPremium
join:2003-09-15
Arlington, TX
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| Re: I'm curious... It's not the download that's illegal, especially in the case of media you already own. If you already own a CD and want mp3s of it, then the only difference between ripping it yourself and grabbing a torrent is that with the torrent, you're also distributing it, which you almost never have a right to.
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon profitable cause... | |
| | | | |  GooberPremium
join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL
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2 edits | Re: I'm curious... said by sivran:It's not the download that's illegal, especially in the case of media you already own. Wrong. You may have a fair use defense for media you own, but it's not correct to say that it's not the download that's illegal. | |
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| Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | said by baineschile:If I buy a DVD, do I have a right to digitally download it? If I own a CD, but want to put MP3s on my IPod, can I download them? Not all pirating should constitute immediate thoughts to stealing. If the DVD or CD is encrypted (most DVDs are, most CDs aren't) you can't legally download them without permission under the DMCA. If their not encrypted and not used for distribution or commercial gain then IMHO you are in an area of unsettled law. AFAIK no record company has attempted to sue or prosecute anyone over putting a song from a CD they own on their own mp3 player for their own personal use. I doubt that any record company ever will because the defendant could make a compelling argument to the court that such personal use is a fair use exception of copyright law. | |
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| Re: I'm curious... said by Sammer:If the DVD or CD is encrypted (most DVDs are, most CDs aren't) you can't legally download them without permission under the DMCA. No, the DMCA prohibits the circumvention of the digital access control mechanism (in this case, encryption). The DMCA has nothing to do with downloading or uploading of digital copies. That falls under the Copyright Act.
If their not encrypted and not used for distribution or commercial gain then IMHO you are in an area of unsettled law.
Not at all. If a work is copyrighted, you are not allowed to copy it, except as the copyright owner allows via license. There are affirmative defenses to a charge of copyright infringement, such as Fair Use, but the law is clear. It has nothing to do with whether you intend to use it commercially or distribute it over the Internet, legally speaking.
AFAIK no record company has attempted to sue or prosecute anyone over putting a song from a CD they own on their own mp3 player for their own personal use.
Yes, they are OK with converting songs on a CD you bought to MP3 files for your player. Apps such as iTunes or Windows Media Player provide this "ripping" capability, which they would not if the owners objected.
I doubt that any record company ever will because the defendant could make a compelling argument to the court that such personal use is a fair use exception of copyright law.
No, it's not a "fair use" exception. Fair use does not allow wholesale copying of an entire work. Read the law and you'll see. | |
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| | | so your saying that I download ROM of Super Mario Bros 3 (which I already own) is stealing? | |
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| Re: I'm curious... said by yolarrydabomb :
so your saying that I download ROM of Super Mario Bros 3 (which I already own) is stealing?
"Stealing" is a loaded word. Here's a factual statement:
If you download this ROM from a non-authorized source (i.e. a pirate torrent), you are violating the copyright on the game. | |
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 TigerLordResident pentaxianPremium,Mod
join:2002-06-09
Montreal
kudos:6 | I don't pirate and I am strongly against these organizations. | |
| | GooberPremium
join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL
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1 edit | Re: I'm curious... I agree. I don't like the xxAAs either and I don't pirate. I just find their lack of imagination as to a viable business model that doesn't involve lawsuits pretty pathetic. | |
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