MaynardKrebs
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join:2009-06-17 | Day 2 of CRTC hearing now live
»network.nationalpost.com/np/blog···eon.aspx |
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Milkster
Whitby, Ontario
join:2003-02-12
Whitby, ON | you can listen live here:
»www.crtc.gc.ca/streaming/stream1-floor.htm |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | reply to MaynardKrebs
It's on now! So hurry.... |
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DJMASACRE
join:2008-05-27
Nepean, ON | reply to MaynardKrebs
who is speaking now ? (9:10am) |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | »Its the Traffic Management Super Bowl! |
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InvalidError
join:2008-02-03
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said by DJMASACRE  :who is speaking now ? (9:10am) I haven't checked but the opening statements sound pretty solid so far. |
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DJMASACRE
join:2008-05-27
Nepean, ON
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| said by InvalidError :said by DJMASACRE :who is speaking now ? (9:10am) I haven't checked but the opening statements sound pretty solid so far. It is Jacob Glick from Google.
He was at the town hall meetings. Funny guy  |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | yup.. that's him. |
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backness
join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2 | reply to MaynardKrebs
woohoo! Moore's law! |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
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join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC | reply to MaynardKrebs
I just saw an ad for the hearing on MetroVision in the metro. Something like "La CRTC se fait un étude sur la gestion de service Internet" or something (pardon the poorly remembered text). |
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InvalidError
join:2008-02-03
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said by backness :woohoo! Moore's law! "The prices will not necessarily increase because service is already priced above costs"
... but the other bloke keeps saying that customers will need to pay more for an open internet, gets annoying... he's totally ignoring the fact that the cost of equipment and bandwidth goes down while Canadian carriers are pushing prices up. |
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DJMASACRE
join:2008-05-27
Nepean, ON
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| said by InvalidError :said by backness :woohoo! Moore's law! "The prices will not necessarily increase because service is already priced above costs" ... but the other bloke keeps saying that customers will need to pay more for an open internet, gets annoying... he's totally ignoring the fact that the cost of equipment and bandwidth goes down while Canadian carriers are pushing prices up. its the shareholders who will pay !  wtf |
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El Quintron
Could you spare a consulting gig?
join:2008-04-28
Etobicoke, ON
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said by InvalidError :... but the other bloke keeps saying that customers will need to pay more for an open internet, gets annoying... All he's doing is pushing the signal to noise ratio in favor of the ILECs.
He's using BruteForce PR (tm) brought to you by panicky incumbents and former monopolies everywhere.
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Working to bring you closer to a Bell and Rogers free household. |
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Arbalister
join:2007-11-24
St Catharines, ON
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said by InvalidError :said by backness :woohoo! Moore's law! "The prices will not necessarily increase because service is already priced above costs" ... but the other bloke keeps saying that customers will need to pay more for an open internet, gets annoying... he's totally ignoring the fact that the cost of equipment and bandwidth goes down while Canadian carriers are pushing prices up. "In the meantime there is a cost involved..." The point that people are trying to make to him that the cost involved in increasing capacity are *less* then the cost of bulding that capacity in the first place - the carriers are already budgetted for increasing capacity, and spending the same amount this year that they spent last year could result in 10 times the capacity this year then they could have added for the same buck 2 years ago. Would consumers be willing to pay more? Why should they? Increased capacity means an increase in the max number of consumers. That's increased income.
If Ford decided to built 200 cars this year instead of 100, would they have to charge more? No - because they're earning twice as much in sales. |
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DJMASACRE
join:2008-05-27
Nepean, ON | reply to MaynardKrebs
here here ! ........... |
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mouser
@teksavvy.com | reply to MaynardKrebs
microsoft bing was zinged! |
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An_Onymous
@teksavvy.com | reply to Arbalister
The cost per car is going to go lower.
I am oversimplifying things:
There is an non-recurring cost of R&D/setup/factories+equipments. If you make more, their percentage goes lower. Your vendor also give you volume discounts. |
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Arbalister
join:2007-11-24
St Catharines, ON
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| said by An_Onymous :
The cost per car is going to go lower.
I am oversimplifying things:
There is an non-recurring cost of R&D/setup/factories+equipments. If you make more, their percentage goes lower. Your vendor also give you volume discounts.
That too, yes. But even if the cost per remains the same, increased sales covers the increased cost.
*We* all know that as capacity increases, costs decrease. Shame that the CRTC hasn't figured that out. |
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N Terloper
@bell.ca | reply to MaynardKrebs
Is there a video feed or is this audio-only? I only get audio with both Media Preyer (mind you it's old) and VLC. |
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InvalidError
join:2008-02-03
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said by Arbalister :*We* all know that as capacity increases, costs decrease. Shame that the CRTC hasn't figured that out. Yup. The price of 10GbE switching gear has decreased by a factor of around 10X over the last five years but ADSL service has gone from 5Mbps down to 600kbps (throttling) over the same period while retail costs remained the same or increased, go figure.
The most expensive cost of building a fiber network is laying down thousands of kilometers worth of fiber. Once most of that work is done, the rest is only a matter of upgrading the relatively inexpensive WDM equipment at both ends to add capacity until the theoretical limit of 4Tbps for single-mode 9-micron fiber. |
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