Ikarasu
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Re: A good compromise - she pays $18,000
I think even 18,000 is a bit much.
they keep arguing that stealing music is the same as walking into a store and stealing a CD. Well... if I stole that CD, and loaned it out to friends, would I have to pay for their use too?
$80,000 per song. Lets say people bought these songs on Itunes... She's paying equal amounts to 80,000 sales... and this doesn't seem absurd to the judge/jury?
I don't think RIAA/MPAA is wrong for trying to prevent piracy, and if anyone was in their place (Pirates who hate RIAA even) they would too. What makes everyone hate them... is how they do it.
Bankrupting moms/dads, ruining lives of familys to set an example... it's scaring/bully tactics. People refer to RIAA/MPAA as Mafia...and this is the exact reason.
I'm glad Canada is a bit more fair on the issue. And I'm pretty sure no Canadian would accept any such punishment if they were threatened to be imposed... I don't see how Americans can sit back and be robbed/bullied like this. |
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salut123
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jester121
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Lake Zurich, IL | reply to Ikarasu
I know dude, this is worse than $375 speeding tickets, or $5000 DUI fines.
It's almost like they're trying to send a message with such exhorbitant fines!
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Ikarasu
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| said by jester121  :I know dude, this is worse than $375 speeding tickets, or $5000 DUI fines. It's almost like they're trying to send a message with such exhorbitant fines! Message received. Drunk driving = less riskier than downloading an mp3! |
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cornelius785
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I think 'stealing' music and the like should fall under petty theft or grand theft depending on how much was 'stolen'. It is mind boggling how stealing a song worth $1 (based on how much it is being sold for online or on a typical CD, not the actual cost to produce it) can result in a $80000 fine and stealing something like: a book, electronics, food, cigarettes, etc. will typical result in a fine less than $500.
I'm sick of this crap that makes the entertainment industry that looks like the center of the: world, universe, life, economy, and everything else under ths sun. I'm also sick of the MAFIAA being able to: operate the way that is does, strongly influence the government to sway to their side, sue with reckless abandon, make examples out of people, and more recently being able to push a so called 'treaty' (Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement ) that appears to bypass the people. I thought the government representatives were suppose to work for the general population, not some select group of individuals that happen to have lots of money. Maybe the government needs to more change than the entertainment industry. |
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Jason Levine
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Don't you realize the difference? When you drive under the influence you can kill someone. But when you share out copyrighted works without the copyright owners' permission, you're *INFRINGING COPYRIGHT!!!!* That's much, much worse than simply killing people. Isn't it?
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rahvin112
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|  Like most of the people like the poster you are responding to they think there is nothing wrong with something like this just as they have no problem with a person with no criminal record, no history of violence and no use of a weapon arrested and convicted of having X amount of a drug serving more time in prison than someone that killed another human or raped someone.
Our prisons are full of people with a medical problem while we are releasing violent prisoners because of overcrowding. After justifying that it's quite easy to accept that someone should have to pay 2 million dollars for making available 2 dozen songs for download (with the only provable download being by an employee of the copyright owner).
When you have to bend logic to support as much injustice as our current legal system exhibits a single mom on welfare getting bent over by companies that make billions it's not a big deal to some apparently. |
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Goober
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| said by rahvin112 : After justifying that it's quite easy to accept that someone should have to pay 2 million dollars for making available 2 dozen songs for download (with the only provable download being by an employee of the copyright owner). I didn't see where in the statute it specifices who the downloader needs to be for distribution. Oh wait, maybe because it's not in there.
This is real simple. Don't want to get in trouble? Then don't break the law. Don't like the law, then get it changed. Can't get it changed and you still want to break the law? Go ahead, but don't get all whiny when you get nailed for it.
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knightmb
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| said by Goober :This is real simple. Don't want to get in trouble? Then don't break the law. Don't like the law, then get it changed. Can't get it changed and you still want to break the law? Go ahead, but don't get all whiny when you get nailed for it. Again, it's really simple. That's exactly what we are trying to do. For a long time people scoffed at women voting in elections. Before that, we had people that scoffed at slaves being freed or even voting. Today we have people that scoff at downloading music as though it was 1920 all over again.
If a teenager lifted some tic-tacs from the grocery store and thus was taken to court to pay a million dollars in damages, everyone would be crying foul. The exact same thing goes on with online music. There are *real* people out there making a lot of money off of piracy with bootlegs cds and what not. Yet it seems for all the waste of money and time spent in court, the best we can do is convict dead people, elderly, kids, and non-technical moms.
Show me a story where "John Doe convicted in multi-million dollar cd piracy racket" and I'll cheer for the law. But when the headline is "panic mom now owes millions for a couple of dozen songs that may or may not have been shared by anyone" speaks to the legal problems and mantra of this society in general.
You want people to buy your music? Quit pissing off everyone with these insane lawsuits and ludicrous judgments. No one wonder everyone wants to "stick it to the man" or RIAA/MPAA in this case. The system is broken and the only way to bring it to attention is to challenge the system.
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Goober
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2 edits | There are criminal copyright busts all the time. Mostly in foreign countries, like China and India where for some reason those countries decide to do the lawful thing instead of getting bribed by the criminals.
This stuff is civil copyright law. Again, the laws are clear. You aren't the copyright holder? Then make sure you know what you're doing when it comes to downloading and/or distributing. Not sure? Then don't do it.
And until the laws are changed, expect to get nailed for unlawful behavior.
So exactly who are the "we" and what is it that the "we" are trying to do?
Edit: And seriously, you're comparing some cheap-ass downloader unhappy about not getting to infringe copyrights on par with human rights violations? |
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jimbo48
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Sure seems that way. We have to endure the justice of the American courts that can send a person to prison for smoking some dope for 20 years, let child molesters and rapists go with a reduced sentence for "good behaviour" bankrupt Joe Public then bail out Financial institutions that fleeced Americans. There is no money to be made in criminal acts but civil acts can generate money for lawyers and the plaintiffs (if they win) This is all a deep pockets venture and the RIAA is out to dig into anyone's pocketbook as deep as they can with the help of the "courts" and some good(if not too ethical) civil lawyers. The lawyers get paid, the RIAA gets a lot of money the judge gets his/her salary paid. Everyone wins except the loser. There is a level of justice that money can buy in America, just ask RIAA. God help the poor man because without money justice and the courts turn a blind eye and a deaf ear. Over generalizing maybe; opinion definitely.
No downloaded song is worth the kind of money per song being talked about here. America, where you are guilty until you have enough money spent to prove you are innocent. |
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Vampirefo
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Re: A good compromise - she pays $18,000
Such bs as riaa is easy enough to stop, it just takes getting people involved, no matter what they law says, the law is decided by the jury, if riaa comes to your town get on the jury, or get a friend on the jury.
I haven't heard of any riaa cases in my area, if i do i will do my part to see they lose, if enough people get involved in their own towns the riaa will just fade away.
the riaa simply can't afford to lose each and every case, but we as the people, eg jury can make them lose each and every time.
I look forward to seeing the riaa come to my town, and losing. I will jump at the chance to get on the jury.
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Goober
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Naperville, IL | Yeah, and the attorney will jump at using his peremptory challenge on you. You'll never get seated. |
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Vampirefo
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| said by Goober :Yeah, and the attorney will jump at using his peremptory challenge on you. You'll never get seated. LOL sure I will be seated, no doubt in my mind, I will tell the attorney anything he wants to hear, just to get put on the jury. The jury is true power and is proof one person can make a difference.
I been on a jury before, they are easy enough to get on most people just want to get out of jury duty, don't want to be bothered not thinking that they could in fact make a difference.
If one doesn't believe the law or punishment is just get on a jury and fix stuff. This women would have paid no more than $24 period, had i been on the jury, i would have pushed for nothing, but would have gave in after hours and hours of deliberation, for $24
Not one dime more or i would have just hung the jury, end of story, people simply use your head get out there get on these jurors and end this bs million dollars for 24 songs bs.
the only reason this woman was charged so much is because riaa supports got on the jury, rather than be to busy, they found the time, all we have to do is fight back get on the jury, we only need one folks on the jury.
If you believe the riaa and or the verdict in this case was to much fight back be on the next jury in your town against the riaa.
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Goober
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| LOL. You have it all figured out don't you? It's that easy.
Look, you have no clue how the selection process works, you have no idea what the attorney wants to hear and you have no idea what he's after.
A civil case doesn't have to be unanimous. You don't have the power by yourself to create a hung jury in the least bit.
You know, I can't even respond to all the rest of your points. I'm just laughing too hard at what I'm reading.
One final thought though. You having been on a jury before, therefore making you an expert in these matters is about the same thing as me saying that I've sat on a toilet before, which makes me a master plumber. |
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Nightfall
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| said by Goober :You know, I can't even respond to all the rest of your points. I'm just laughing too hard at what I'm reading. One final thought though. You having been on a jury before, therefore making you an expert in these matters is about the same thing as me saying that I've sat on a toilet before, which makes me a master plumber. OMG that is hilarious.
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dda
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said by Vampirefo :LOL sure I will be seated, no doubt in my mind, I will tell the attorney anything he wants to hear, just to get put on the jury. One word: perjury. |
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