older dog
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Re: Mapping
said by Matt  :I don't think it's coincidental that Connected Nations map matched the independent 3rd party ... I think that's a pretty decent sign it is accurate. I have no reason to suspect the present data anymore or less than future reports they may give.
But a corporation has no morality or soul and what it may present honestly today can change with the wind.
The more independent voices that can be brought in to the mix the better.
I don't see Connected Nation as an independent voice but a potentially very deceptive one. |
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Matt
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| said by older dog :said by Matt :I don't think it's coincidental that Connected Nations map matched the independent 3rd party ... I think that's a pretty decent sign it is accurate. I have no reason to suspect the present data anymore or less than future reports they may give. But a corporation has no morality or soul and what it may present honestly today can change with the wind. The more independent voices that can be brought in to the mix the better. I agree with that, which is why the assertion that Connected Nation and AT&T are somehow in collusion, and e-NC is evidence of that baffles me. I think the author of the original piece had an idea of the conclusion he wanted to make and assembled information around it that "sort of" supported his position.
From what I have seen, I do believe Connected Nation may have a suspect connection to AT&T. But also from what I have seen, Connected Nation's maps match the independent 3rd party maps. So rather than blast Connected Nation and attempt to dismantle them, how about we lobby and push for independent 3rd party reviews on a set timetable? I'm sure that is something that everyone, AT&T included, would be happy to agree to. If not, then perhaps there is something worth looking into. |
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S_engineer
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sonicmerlin
join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
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From stopthecap:
The history of this group has demonstrated it has an interest in keeping specifics to a minimum, and inflating broadband penetration levels into the stratosphere. As Broadband Reports wrote, a perfect example is in the state of Kentucky. When independent mapping was completed, it exposed Kentucky had a problem — just 60% of the state had broadband available. Those low numbers might prompt a review of why incumbent telecom companies are not spending some money to wire their less urban customers for service. But with the magic of Connect Kentucky, a sort of regional chapter of Connected Nation, that number jumped to 95% in just five years in a study called dubious, if not outright “methodological malpractice” by Consumers Union.
In North Carolina, the dispute is being played out in a most public way, as Connected Nation, at the behest of a powerful state legislator, has set up a parallel mapping operation to that of the e-NC Authority, a state agency that has been working since 2001 to bring Internet connectivity to rural areas through mapping and through public-private partnerships with telephone companies. While normally Connected Nation can charge hundreds of thousands of dollars for mapping, it is doing the North Carolina map at no cost to the state after a move by the chairman of e-NC’s board to have that organization pay for part of the industry mapping cost failed.
As with all of its mapping, e-NC depends on information from incumbent providers. Through last year and this there was a struggle more prolonged than usual, and the end result was a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) that greatly restricted what the e-NC maps would be able to show. |
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Matt
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| said by sonicmerlin :From stopthecap: The history of this group has demonstrated it has an interest in keeping specifics to a minimum, and inflating broadband penetration levels into the stratosphere. As Broadband Reports wrote, a perfect example is in the state of Kentucky. When independent mapping was completed, it exposed Kentucky had a problem — just 60% of the state had broadband available. Those low numbers might prompt a review of why incumbent telecom companies are not spending some money to wire their less urban customers for service. But with the magic of Connect Kentucky, a sort of regional chapter of Connected Nation, that number jumped to 95% in just five years in a study called dubious, if not outright “methodological malpractice” by Consumers Union. In North Carolina, the dispute is being played out in a most public way, as Connected Nation, at the behest of a powerful state legislator, has set up a parallel mapping operation to that of the e-NC Authority, a state agency that has been working since 2001 to bring Internet connectivity to rural areas through mapping and through public-private partnerships with telephone companies. While normally Connected Nation can charge hundreds of thousands of dollars for mapping, it is doing the North Carolina map at no cost to the state after a move by the chairman of e-NC’s board to have that organization pay for part of the industry mapping cost failed. As with all of its mapping, e-NC depends on information from incumbent providers. Through last year and this there was a struggle more prolonged than usual, and the end result was a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) that greatly restricted what the e-NC maps would be able to show. That is excellent news. I can't wait for Connected Nation's results to come out so we can compare them to e-NC's. Although I find it a bit ironic that e-NC, a governmental agency, can't release their data because of NDA's but everyone is clamoring for Connected Nation to release theirs. |
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sonicmerlin
join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
| Actually stopthecap has a new article about Connected Nation.
It illustrates just how BAD CN's maps in North Carolina in Ohio are compared to independent third parties. This is despite CN getting millions in government funding while independents received nothing.
And by BAD I mean absolutely HORRENDOUS. They show absolutely NOTHING. They don't differentiate between broadband type, price, demographic, or ANYTHING. It's like a 5-year-old made them. Compared to e-NC's maps, CN's maps are so atrociously bad the only possible way they could be considered "adequate" is if they somehow bribed a politician. |
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