http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22668540 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:53:43 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:53:43 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22672257 --
ComTrain Certified Tower Climber. American Tower Certified approved contractor. Wireless consultants.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22672257 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:57:24 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22671726 said by Jerm:

The 1300-1450 kbps "average" is really over 5 minutes most likely. This means that sometimes you are above and sometimes you are below, but you can guarantee that you are hitting the maximum quite regularly. Thus the packet loss.

After chatting with the guys at Neteq a long while back, I remember them asking me how many users were on the T1 I wanted to shape. I was told that at some point, no matter what appliance you put on there, it may not help a lot, especially if you are already jamming the pipe with a million users.

Sometimes, only more bandwidth is the answer, hands down. A cheap way to go would be for you to throw a DSL line into the mix until another T1 or Metro Ethernet drop can be made (Make SURE you can resell it!). I have done this in the past as a stop gap measure, as in most cases,you can get a DSL line provisioned a lot faster than a T1. I tried Covad at your location (That is who I use and they are great), but they do not service your area. I tried using the address of the Pizza Hut on highway 67 at numerous pre-qual. sites for DSL but it appears you are in some kind of a black hole for broadband. :D

Forget that, it does appear that New Edge networks can service your location and I think they allow you to resell?
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He still should not see packet loss to his Cisco on the LAN side. Unless he is already trying to shape on the MT with a max que.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22671386 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 02:25:26 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22671200
»www.mikrotik.com/testdocs/ros/3.···ueue.php

We did this on a campus till we got more bandwidth in and it seemed to work really well..

/ip firewall mangle add chain=forward src-address=192.168.0.0/24 \
action=mark-connection new-connection-mark=users-con
/ip firewall mangle add connection-mark=users-con action=mark-packet \
new-packet-mark=users chain=forward

/queue type add name=pcq-download kind=pcq pcq-classifier=dst-address
/queue type add name=pcq-upload kind=pcq pcq-classifier=src-address

/queue tree add name=Download parent=Local max-limit=1540000
/queue tree add parent=Download queue=pcq-download packet-mark=users

/queue tree add name=Upload parent=Public max-limit=1540000
/queue tree add parent=Upload queue=pcq-upload packet-mark=users
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I had a friend with this same T1 scenario that used a pFsense box in transparent mode to shape his traffic until more bandwidth could be brought in. Although I think Mikrotik should be able to do the same type of functionality.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22670286 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:23:36 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22668761
Packet loss will happen once you max out your T though. That means it's time for another one ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22668761 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:39:52 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22669701
We figure in 10-15% of that bandwith will have this overhead etc.

So for example a T-1 1540 Kbps take worst case 15% that leaves you with about 1309 Kbps to spread among your flock! If you are not doing bandwidth control with that then it will be gobbled up real quick!
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Patch it with a Monowall bridge, or similar device, doing traffic shaping until you can get more capacity in. You will see a world of difference. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22669351 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:07:17 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22669044 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22669044 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:09:18 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22669024 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22669024 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:04:16 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22668903
Is there a small percentage used for timing, error correction, etc...or should I be getting 1540 when it is maxed out?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22668903 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:44:14 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22668858 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22668858 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:37:08 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22668845 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22668845 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:35:20 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22668743
"I am a WISP using Motorola Canopy. I currently have a single T1, which is close to maxed out."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22668743 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:23:43 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22668678 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22668678 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:15:44 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22668540
I am a WISP using Motorola Canopy. I currently have a single T1, which is close to maxed out.

Here is my question - my upstream provider is ATT. I have a Cisco 2600 for my gateway router. I also have a Mikrotik PC based router handling my wireless private IPs. When I ping the ATT router that is next hop away from my Mikrotik router, I do get some timeouts. Mikrotik reports 17% packet loss out of about 4000 packets. Now like I said, it is close to maxed out - I average 1300-1450 kbps. It very rarely goes over 1500kbps.

Most of my users are experiencing some lag and "page cannot be displayed" errors, even when it's not prime time on my network.

Can someone explain to me why I'm getting so much packet loss? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Timeouts-on-pinging-my-upstream-providers-router-22668540 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:54:49 EDT