stevephl
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Colorado Springs, CO | Open Source Chrome OS There is already a mature stable open-source operating system available for free for PC's, called Linux. |
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openbox9
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Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | And *BSD, and OpenSoloris, and Darwin, and etc.
BTW, the Google OS appears to be based on Linux. |
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End of an Era? said by stevephl:There is already a mature stable open-source operating system available for free for PC's, called Linux. If you read the article, you'll see it uses the Linux kernel and adds a new windowing system to run the Chrome browser.
I would guess that it's not designed to run arbitrary local applications, like a "normal" OS. Rather it's a purpose-built platform to run the Chrome browser. The browser and the Web is the app platform. Offline/local use is managed by Google Gears.
This is much more like a consumer electronic device than a PC. It puts the PC at the high end of the smartphone food chain.
We may have just seen, on July 8, 2009, the announcement that marks the end of the PC era -- started by IBM with their original IBM PC announcement on August 8, 1981.
By the way this is open source but I would not call it "open". It's not designed to be flexible and changeable by the consumer. This is a feature -- no malware, no crapware. RMS is going to hate it, I guarantee. |
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Re: Open Source Chrome OS AND, if someone other than Apple can design even a half-friendly user interface for it, it'll spread like wildfire. That's the problem with Linux: most people are not computer savvy or patient enough to jump through all the hoops required to make linux dance like Windows or OS X does.
Can Linux do everything that Windows does? Yes.
Is it a royal pain in the ass to do so? Almost certainly. |
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Re: End of an Era? "We may have just seen, on July 8, 2009, the announcement that marks the end of the PC era -- started by IBM with their original IBM PC announcement on August 8, 1981."
More likely, this is the OS that will run in my next refrigerator. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | reply to mlundin
Re: Open Source Chrome OS said by mlundin:AND, if someone other than Apple can design even a half-friendly user interface for it, it'll spread like wildfire. There are a few "decent" UIs, the problem is OS compatibility with a lot of mainstream apps that "normal" people want/need to use.said by mlundin:Is it a royal pain in the ass to do so? Almost certainly. Have you used one of the modern Linux distros lately? It's most definitely not difficult to install or use. The various X Window desktop developers have done a relatively decent job of mimicing a lot of Windows features. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | reply to rdmiller
Re: End of an Era? said by rdmiller:More likely, this is the OS that will run in my next refrigerator. Now that I can see. It may also be an option for scaled down, "not quite dumb" desktops in large corporations as they move more of their processes to web-enabled applications. Think thin-client on steroids. MS Terminal Services exists, but it does have its limitations. |
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Re: Open Source Chrome OS I haven't tried one in a couple of years now. I remember having particular difficulty getting dual monitors to act as a single environment with an nVidia card... just about pulled my hair out. Red Hat, SuSe... didn't matter. General setup was cake, but certain things were just a real pain in the ass... I've got patience, but not enough to write my own drivers when I have an unsupported device. In the end, I always went back to my heavily pirated copy of XP. Every time I installed linux, it just seemed like open source was a small step behind the MS and Macs of the world as far as things just working. I honestly feel like I gave linux an honest shot (more than once)... it just ended up not being worth the trouble to get things to work the way I wanted them to. |
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I'm far from impressed when it comes to linux attempting to mimic features of more polished desktop (not server, as that is a different story) OS like Windows (and probably Mac OS, which I haven't used, but those that use it seem to like it). I find the gnome and kde a bit confusing and slow to navigate through, thus back to the much over used commandline to do anything at all. I'm looking for something that is as simple to setup that is just as fast as Windows RDP.
Guess I'm expecting too much (based on all this hype on linux vs Windows) from a bunch of unpaid programmers with questionable background and abilities to create something that rivals Windows. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | I'm not defending Linux distros by any stretch, but there are other simpler and faster Window managers besides Gnome and KDE. I understand developers' tendencies to attempt to mimic MS Windows, but it would've been nice if they had thought out of the box and made something unique, better organized, and more efficient than mimicking MS Windows' UI. |
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kudos:4 | reply to stevephl
MS to make big announcement on Monday MS is going to make announcement on Monday to steal the press back from Google:
»www.neowin.net/news/main/09/07/0···t-monday
Microsoft will announce that Windows 7 has hit RTM on Monday at the Worldwide Partner Conference that is taking place in New Orleans. Could Scoble be confirming this too or hinting at Microsoft's forthcoming Gazelle browser? Blogger Imran Hussain thinks it could be Gazelle too. Long Zheng thinks it could be Office Web.
Microsoft has been developing "Gazelle" as an alternative to Internet Explorer. The browser acts like a self-contained operating system and is designed to address the fact that browsers like IE and Chrome have not been built by design to handle multiple processes and web applications in a secure manner. The implications from this is that older browsers have suffered performance and security issues.
If it's the grand Office Web Apps unveiling this makes sense at a Partner Conference. Microsoft hinted at its Office Web Applications back at it's professional developers conference last year. The company plans to offer Office in a way that is similar to Google Apps. This is the more likely option out of the two. So:
Maybe a MS Browser OS
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a Google Apps competitor
on Monday
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Re: Open Source Chrome OS To be completely honest with everyone I don't see what's so complicated about linux, I learned most of it on Ubuntu, and then went to dabbling with YDL for PS3 and a bit of Slackware...
I think what most people don't get about Linux is that like all new things there's a learning curve, and the only reason its not as polished as Win/OSX is that at first you don't know how to use it.
If you've been at it as your only OS for anywhere from six months to a year, you're golden.
How long did it take you guys to learn windows flawlessly?
Probably as much time as it would take you to run a modern linux flawlessly if you put the elbow grease in it.
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kudos:4 | said by El Quintron:To be completely honest with everyone I don't see what's so complicated about linux, I learned most of it on Ubuntu, and then went to dabbling with YDL for PS3 and a bit of Slackware... I think what most people don't get about Linux is that like all new things there's a learning curve, and the only reason its not as polished as Win/OSX is that at first you don't know how to use it. If you've been at it as your only OS for anywhere from six months to a year, you're golden. How long did it take you guys to learn windows flawlessly? Probably as much time as it would take you to run a modern linux flawlessly if you put the elbow grease in it. All true. But most people who already know Windows don't want to take the time for a new learning curve.
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openbox9
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Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | reply to El Quintron
Agreed. An additional factor besides the learning curve is that a lot of people use MS Windows at work which make them all that much more resistant to change their OS at home. My wife is like that. I've attempted to ween her off of MS Windows a couple of times with Linux and OS X and the recurring comment is "but it doesn't look like my computer at work". That and a couple of application incompatibilities that can be solved with Wine, but that's kind of kludgey solution which doesn't help my credibility in the transition attempt. |
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join:2002-04-17
San Francisco, CA | reply to El Quintron
Say command prompt / terminal. Scares most people, even though it can be much easier to use. Take creating LVM for example. The command line is much easier and faster than the GUI. |
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 en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to openbox9
I'll agree with that.
I suspect that I could have a computer 'newbie' (i.e. someone that never used a computer in their life) use a PC, Mac or Linux with a decent Window manager with ease.
I was brought up on Windows OS/2 (gack), and started hacking with Linux distros in College (Slackware 1.0) as they were cheap, fast, reliable and at the time blew Windows 3.x/95 out of the water for cost and performance. I was able to get things on Linux that were never available (or cost a lot) on Windows at the time (ftp/email/web/proxies/irc/printer/file servers).
At one time - in a lab I ran circles around NT for performance (both used same hardware).
Getting back on topic - Linux is good for specific things - VMWare, Servers (cheap Solaris replacement) and light weight OS. Windows OS has already become 'the Borg', assimilating all OS functions and application functions into its core, becoming VERY bloated, and memory dependent (i.e. don't get Vista with less than 3GB of RAM)
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kudos:4 | said by en102:(i.e. don't get Vista with less than 3GB of RAM) My 2 Vista systems runs very well on 2 GB of ram with no problems whatever. And I run a test Windows 7 bootable region on 2 GB of memory and it is even faster than Vista.
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said by mlundin:AND, if someone other than Apple can design even a half-friendly user interface for it, it'll spread like wildfire. That's the problem with Linux: most people are not computer savvy or patient enough to jump through all the hoops required to make linux dance like Windows or OS X does. Can Linux do everything that Windows does? Yes. Is it a royal pain in the ass to do so? Almost certainly. Dead on it's about the GUI |
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said by cornelius785:I'm far from impressed when it comes to linux attempting to mimic features of more polished desktop (not server, as that is a different story) OS like Windows (and probably Mac OS, which I haven't used, but those that use it seem to like it). I find the gnome and kde a bit confusing and slow to navigate through, thus back to the much over used commandline to do anything at all. I'm looking for something that is as simple to setup that is just as fast as Windows RDP. Guess I'm expecting too much (based on all this hype on linux vs Windows) from a bunch of unpaid programmers with questionable background and abilities to create something that rivals Windows. What a bunch of crud. The truth is most of the core developers of Linux are in fact full time paid professionals. They work for companies like Red Hat, IBM, Intel, Oracle, etc. Very little of the core OS is developed by amateurs. |
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Diggity! Aint it! Vista is totally tamable. I have no problems making SP1 livable, and even better with SP2.
Windows 7 is definitely coming along nicely. I think most people don't appreciate what an undertaking it is to create an OS of this magnitude!
-Akbar humor aside.... If there was a concentrated effort in the Open Source (Linux) community, I believe they could compete well. The obvious difference is all the paid developers Micro$oft has with mega overtime. I for one am interested in seeing what Google (Skynet Indeed!) produces over Linux. Perhaps a good starting (or jumping off) point for the community! |
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