| Act of War? At what point do we start treating this as an act of war, and respond with military force? Mind you I don't think we need to kill anyone, but a couple guys showing up to "talk" to you about your botnet infected computer doesn't seem out of line at all.
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said by Camelot One:At what point do we start treating this as an act of war, and respond with military force? Mind you I don't think we need to kill anyone, but a couple guys showing up to "talk" to you about your botnet infected computer doesn't seem out of line at all. I was sort of thinking the same thng. At what point does this become something other than to just recognize that it's happening.
Why can't this be taken to the UN? Not that it would help, as nothing with any militarily backbone would be the result, but we could at least add it to the list of shit that the DPRK is doing wrong. With that said, I'm generally fan of a few cruise missiles to get a point across, but that's not a popular decision right now.
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said by Camelot One:a couple guys showing up to "talk" to you about your botnet infected computer doesn't seem out of line at all. Anyone from the government coming to "talk" to me about anything in my home without a warrant and force to back it up will not even make it inside my door, assuming I'm home.
The last thing we need is a bunch of government thugs going around to people's houses and toying with their computers. My trust in all that they do these days is about as low as it can be.
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He is trying to entice the US or ROK to fire first. China's policy is that they will only respond to defend the DPRK if they are not the aggressor so if they fire the first shot then supposedly China will not respond. |
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I say we f#&king give him one. So far, by my count, he's 1-1 in managing to not screw up detonating a small nuke in a controlled test underground. Last I checked, we here in the good ol' US of A had a couple hundred spare warheads sitting atop missiles that we could stand to get rid of. So lets rain down some fire on these bitches and write 'em off to the annals of history. |
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said by NOVA_Guy:said by Camelot One:a couple guys showing up to "talk" to you about your botnet infected computer doesn't seem out of line at all. Anyone from the government coming to "talk" to me about anything in my home without a warrant and force to back it up will not even make it inside my door, assuming I'm home. Chill out, Goober. *IF* the government sends someone by your house, it was probably someone like me who sent them. (And the someone will likely be sent by your ISP.) They WON'T have a warrant or any particular powers and if you'll take 5 minutes and calmly listen to what they're asking and why, you'll probably be able to take care of the problem yourself (although I doubt someone here on DSLReports would ever find themselves in that position).
said by NOVA_Guy:The last thing we need is a bunch of government thugs going around to people's houses and toying with their computers. My trust in all that they do these days is about as low as it can be. Just keep your "reasonableness" hat on. Government that behaves well should be rewarded. When you start becoming unglued from the outset makes you look unreasonable, not the government.
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Canonsburg, PA | reply to Camelot One
The real question is when will the Chinese government treat this crackpot's actions as a serious threat to their security. Yes he's threatening the security of our allies the Republic of Korea and Japan but destabilizing that area of the world is a much bigger threat to China than it is to us. |
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We could simply severely curtail their Internet access. Be easy, cut all the direct links and force all North Korea stuff to have to go thru China first, then we could have their traffic dropped by the backbone routers, etc.
I think we're trying to avoid going that route, however. I think US policy is to encourage Internet access everywhere (despite the risks) because it works against dictatorships and oppressive regimes. (See Iran's recent example.)
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He's their ally.
Now, if North Korea had knocked the Micheal Jackson memorial offline, well, it would have been war for sure. 
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Don't you watch movies? You do know they are already spying on you  In fact the agent mirroring my desktop is probably looking right at you and laughing. 
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said by KrK:Now, if North Korea had knocked the Micheal Jackson memorial offline, well, it would have been wonderful Fixed it. 
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It's fast coming a time that they will be a threat to China as well. I think it's far more likely the Chinese will invade somewhere down the line.
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said by KrK:We could simply severely curtail their Internet access. Be easy, cut all the direct links and force all North Korea stuff to have to go thru China first, then we could have their traffic dropped by the backbone routers, etc. For anything else I would agree. But this wasn't/isn't a case of North Korean owned computers causing the problem. They (allegedly) are controlling the botnet, but the botnet itself is likely global. Its made up of thousands of home and business computers owned by people either too ignorant or too arrogant to care about securing their computers. Cutting every hardline in or out of NK wouldn't help. What we need to do is cut internet access for anyone infected.
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Re: Act of War? said by funchords:Just keep your "reasonableness" hat on. Government that behaves well should be rewarded. I agree entirely. You'll call me when the US government starts behaving reasonably, won't you?
said by funchords:When you start becoming unglued from the outset makes you look unreasonable, not the government. I'm guessing you don't have many Indian (or "Native American" if you prefer) friends, do you?
If I'm guessing wrong, you really ought to have a chat with them about how "reasonable" the US government is. I think you'll find the Feds have a marked tendency to take the heavy-handed approach, given half a chance. Why? Well, because they can.
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said by NOVA_Guy:said by Camelot One:a couple guys showing up to "talk" to you about your botnet infected computer doesn't seem out of line at all. Anyone from the government coming to "talk" to me about anything in my home without a warrant and force to back it up will not even make it inside my door, assuming I'm home. The last thing we need is a bunch of government thugs going around to people's houses and toying with their computers. My trust in all that they do these days is about as low as it can be. »www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/fcc-raid/ |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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There could be an accidental EMP over NK airspace |
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Falls Church, VA | reply to Camelot One
said by Camelot One:At what point do we start treating this as an act of war, and respond with military force? Mind you I don't think we need to kill anyone, but a couple guys showing up to "talk" to you about your botnet infected computer doesn't seem out of line at all. Not that I know anything but; This situation allowed the U.S. a rare opportunity to observe a cyber attack against us, and test our defenses. Every nation / state / operator that can, watched and took copious notes. At the end of the day, we will be better prepared for future attacks. Our government may have known of the attack months before it was launched, hence the "first ever cyber security czar".
I believe that cyber warfare is about establishing buried bot networks that execute and render your target vulnerable for exploitation. This attack, while substantial and effective at times. Caused more risk for the attacker than damage to the targets! perhaps it masked something more sinister elsewhere, only time will tell. |
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