said by milnoc :

Now that the housekeeping is done, what are the chances the Union des Consommateurs will cover all the critical points of traffic management that we don't have any trouble discussing on this very forum, but which too many intervenors at the CRTC were incapable of explaining in a clear and concise way during the previous week?

said by jfmezei :

The Union's academic expert supported Bell's claims that having 10 TCP sessions allowed one user to use 10 times as much bandwidth as one who has only TCP 1 session. So my hopes are not high.

said by jfmezei :

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However, they may be good in terms of the false advertising issue of ISPs advertising speeds that they cannot provide.

said by jvaux :

It seems the big providers are saying "Well, we do it to everyone, so it must be fair".

said by jvaux :

One thing that was mentioned during the presentation by the IFTA, but I don't think has been put enough emphasis on:

A lot of the talk has centered around filtering based on application and how that might cause an unfair market advantage for certain businesses. The thing is, it might not create an unfair advantage for the company doing the filtering, but still causes issues.

It seems the big providers are saying "Well, we do it to everyone, so it must be fair". But, imagine the situation where a bunch of independent Canadian artists open an online store based on P2P, and another opens one based on another technology. Obviously, the store using P2P is going to be injured by the filtering if it's done to a large portion of Canadians (their customers.) Not because the online store is being filtered, but because a large portion of Canadians are. The store can't change providers and solve the problem -- hence the "There's duopoly, so there's choice" argument it moot. As well, the Canadians being filtered probably don't even know they're being filtered (even if the ISP told them, they wouldn't make the connection that downloading from Company A is slower than B due to the ISP - They're jsut goign to assume that Company A sucks.) nor would anyone change ISPs just to be able to shop at another store online.

An Internet provider can't possibly see all the ramifications of what filtering content on a large portion of Canadians will have. Which is why they shouldn't have the option of filtering by application at all.

said by InvalidError :

One important point that MUST be driven home on Monday:

»www.bell.ca/shopping/PrsShpInt_Perf.page

quote:

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Consistently fast service that's never shared

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Congestion CANNOT exist on a service that is "never shared". Since both claims are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE by definition, Bell MUST BE GUILTY of either lying in its CRTC filings about congestion or false advertising.

said by Davesnothere :

That advertising Hook was originally stated during the days of the 'Download Rigor-Mortis' TV ads, when Bell was poking fun at Rogers' neighbourhood distribution topology.

said by InvalidError :

In any case, Bell's advertisement claim of "never shared" falls apart at the DSLAMs where dozens, hundreds or even thousands of circuits get aggregated into DS3/OCxxx/GbE/10GbE links so it never was more than a half-truth to begin with.

said by InvalidError :

One important point that MUST be driven home on Monday:

»www.bell.ca/shopping/PrsShpInt_Perf.page

quote:

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Consistently fast service that's never shared

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Congestion CANNOT exist on a service that is "never shared". Since both claims are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE by definition, Bell MUST BE GUILTY of either lying in its CRTC filings about congestion or false advertising.

said by mazhurg :

Which simply indicate that the user is on a unique wire to the CO. Grossly misleading, but true.

said by InvalidError :

We need EU-style advertisement and consumer protection laws to stop companies from making barely-legal or misleading claims.

On the plus side, Quebec's revised consumer act proposes to explicitly BAN penalties beyond interests for "non-performance" by the customer which could spell the end of termination fees. This will make walking out of contracts people got tricked into by misleading advertising much easier and cheaper.

said by chronoss2009 :

can you give me a link i want to show this law and or proposal to the pirate party and green party as well as the ndp party, this would really be nice to see country wide if true.

said by jfmezei :

So it isn't "false advertising", it is misleading advertising. Bell had to add those caveats last years during the CAIP propceeding when they started to claim that we were causing congestion on sympatico customers or that a small group of users were ruining the whole internet.

said by jfmezei :

So it isn't "false advertising", it is misleading advertising. Bell had to add those caveats last years during the CAIP propceeding when they started to claim that we were causing congestion on sympatico customers or that a small group of users were ruining the whole internet.

said by InvalidError :

At least, Quebec consumers who get tricked into a contract by misleading/false advertising may soon be able to walk out of such contracts much more easily when the next set of Consumer Protection Act amendments get through:

This amendment will effectively BAN termination fees in Quebec and render long-term service contracts ineffective as anticompetitive lock-in tools.

said by milnoc :

Torrents of days 2 to 5 are available at the following links.

said by Adios :

Cogeco users are just waking up to the fact of the throttle & payload inspection by their ISP.

said by Davesnothere :

If Cogeco customers cannot tell that they are being throttled, then the implementation could be deemed sufficiently transparent.

said by Adios :

save the final days for me some place for when I get back from vacation in case there is a take-down order

said by milnoc :

Actually, at least one person at the CRTC is aware of what I'm doing, namely because I asked them if they had a spare recording of last Monday's hearing that I could post on-line!

said by chronoss2009 :

Ya mean like how for the last 1.5 years I've had 640 Kbytes download speed and then they screw around causing disconnects then the tech comes over and tells me they have to put me on a 4 megabit profile 'cause someone one in area got THEIR BELL SYMPATICO? So now I have 540 kilobytes and yet I am paying TSI for 5?

said by chronoss2009 :

ya mean like how for the last 1.5 years i've had 640 Kbytes download speed and then they screw around cause a disconnect then the tech comes over and tells me they have to put me on a 4 megabit profile cause someone one in area got THERE BELL SYMPATICO? so now i have 540 kilobytes and yet am paying TSI for 5?

said by chronoss2009 :

You also have a newly forming pirate party dedicated to the issues of net neutrality , and copyright , TWO HUGE IT issues that will resonate with the younger under 40 crowd , if those politicians don't take heed they may see a further backlash and start seeing greens and PPoC people getting elected and really change things FOR the betterment

said by mlerner :

Horrible idea putting satellite technology on a train, it can be worse than GPRS.

said by milnoc :

Way to go tabarnak!

said by mlerner :

switching between French and English.