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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to alchav
Re: Now Who's Laughing? said by alchav: Now who's laughing, Verizon is the clear winner here, and the BellHeads at AT&T are just trying to keep their heads above water! First off, who says they "the clear winner"... and how exactly is at&t "trying to keep their heads above water"... or, are you just saying all this in order to sound like you know something.
at&t is doing just fine and Verizon's FiOS product is not "the clear winner"... there are facts and figures out there that you should read up on.
Your post is nothing more than fanboi rhetoric.. | |
 alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA | said by fiberguy:said by alchav: Now who's laughing, Verizon is the clear winner here, and the BellHeads at AT&T are just trying to keep their heads above water! First off, who says they "the clear winner"... and how exactly is at&t "trying to keep their heads above water"... or, are you just saying all this in order to sound like you know something. at&t is doing just fine and Verizon's FiOS product is not "the clear winner"... there are facts and figures out there that you should read up on. Your post is nothing more than fanboi rhetoric.. Well Fiberguy, if your name is correct you should know more than anyone, Fiber is the future. If you followed my Post from the past, you should know I retired from PacBell and started working for them when AT&T ran everything. So yes, I have some knowledge of the Telco's. My Posts go back years when I made Verizon the clear winner over AT&T, because of the different technologies....FTTH vs FTTN. So what kind of qualifications do you have? | | |
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cwh
join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX | I would say cost and market share would be too big factors. SO far fttp is costing verizon 2-3x as much and they are only getting marginally more marketshare with their product. | |
fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to alchav
What qualifications? I've worked in the industry for 15 years, now retired. I was one of the first fiber certified techs at my company when fiber/coax was first introduced. I've worked every department from warehouse on up to head end technician including engineering and construction. I've worked for the government affairs department as well. I'm also one of the key people involved in why cable installers and technicians are now one in the same.. I've had some influence over my own industry as well.
You have made Verizon the clear winner, however, the numbers speak differently. Its not about the technology that's going to always matter.. it's sustainability. Sure, fiber is superior, however, what good is running and stringing up fiber just in time for no one to afford it? Have you not paid any attention to what's going on in the country/world around you? .. has anyone?
There are clear winners on the many sides of the game in their own way. ATT is spending less money and delivering advanced services and winning customers over just fine.. sounds like a clear winner to me. Verizon is spending a lot of money and deploying Fiber and gaining customers while ignoring their legacy customers... they win becuase they have a good network moving forward, but not everyone shops on the technology.. they're angering their current customers as well.. how is that a win? (For the record, I am NO fan of at&t) You've got cable that has a system that they can easily, and inexpensively push out new services.. they're a winner too.
In other words.. instead of calling out winners, which you didn't do very well on, you should talk about the pro's and con's of both.. you'd be hitting a better tone with some people.
Like I said, fanboi's will agree with you, but it's not always about the techies that drool over fiber. Cable and AT&T are offering digital services over copper and doing just fine. Verizon does it over fiber.. a gazillion meg per second is over kill for today's marketplace.. so.. now, you're still going to tell me Verizon wins.
I will tell you, you speak clearly as a field ops person.. not as someone that looks at the WHOLE picture. | |
alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA | said by fiberguy:What qualifications? I've worked in the industry for 15 years, now retired. I was one of the first fiber certified techs at my company when fiber/coax was first introduced. I've worked every department from warehouse on up to head end technician including engineering and construction. I've worked for the government affairs department as well. I'm also one of the key people involved in why cable installers and technicians are now one in the same.. I've had some influence over my own industry as well. You have made Verizon the clear winner, however, the numbers speak differently. Its not about the technology that's going to always matter.. it's sustainability. Sure, fiber is superior, however, what good is running and stringing up fiber just in time for no one to afford it? Have you not paid any attention to what's going on in the country/world around you? .. has anyone? In other words.. instead of calling out winners, which you didn't do very well on, you should talk about the pro's and con's of both.. you'd be hitting a better tone with some people. I will tell you, you speak clearly as a field ops person.. not as someone that looks at the WHOLE picture. Fiberguy, you do have some good qualifications, and I may have over simplified saying Verizon was the clear winner. I worked for Pacific Bell, now AT&T, for 31 years, and I started inside as a Frame Technician and retired in Second Level Management as a Service Manager. So I had a pretty good picture on how everything worked within my Company. To me AT&T was full of sluggish bureaucrats, that didn't know anything about Technology. When Judge Green broke us up in 1984, I thought that was the best thing for PacBell. We flourished and along with Al Gore, brought the Internet to California.
Back in the late '80's, PacBell started to experiment with a Broadband Product over Coax, that would provide High Speed Data, Phone, and TV. We took to long to roll it out, because of some problems and we were also very busy with High Capacity Data to the Silicone Valley Businesses. Anyway, when SBC took us over they scraped the Broadband Product. Then the AT&T BellHeads came in and dusted off The Product, and repackaged it over existing Copper and called it U-Verse. So this is why I say AT&T made a mistake not going with FTTH. You say it's overkill, I don't think that is the case anymore if you want quality High Speed Data, Phone, and HDTV. | |
fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | I don't think Fiber is over-kill at all.. what I'm saying is that for the over all picture and what the market and economy can take right now, I think that at&t is actually making good economic sense.
I don't believe that every company has to be everything for everyone.. they have to find a marketplace. Currently, I think that U-Verse has it's market as does cable, satellite, etc.
They could dump a butt-load of money into fiber which WOULD get them along through the future, however, right now... ask yourself.. "what IS the future...?" Right now, in my estimation, I don't see much of a "future" over the next 10 years. I think the fat-cat society that we've lived in for the past 20 years is coming to a MAJOR slow down for some time to come.. and the current political administration is possibly going to make my 10 years look more like 15 or 20. | |
alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA | You might be right, in your estimation of "The Future." Ten years is a long time, especially in Technology, and 2 or 3 years ago AT&T U-Verse was looking pretty good, but now with High Speed Data, Phone, and HDTV do you really think all this can be squeezed into your home on a pair of Copper Wires? AT&T is already talking about Bonding, and this has to be done over good Copper. So now you are talking about replacing all the existing Copper. Does this make good economic sense?
You talk about the Big Picture and what is The Future, and even though we are going to be moving slow, we don't have enough capacity now in most homes for what people want. Steaming High Definition Video from Servers is already here, and what is needed for this? Right.....Fiber! | |
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