Diddy1
join:2003-07-19
Sidney, NE
| 4x4 Steal beam/post availability?
I have a saggin beam in a basement. There was a 4x4 support beam removed some years ago, not by me, and re-inforced with a 2x6 across the span. Obviously the 2x6 has sagged under the load and I need to replace the beam. If I put a 4x4 back, since things have been allowed to sag so many years, I feel something a bit stronger should be put to bear the load.
Are ther 4x4 steal beams available, or is this a non-standard item? I inquired at a local steal supplier, but they never responded back. Any suggestions where to look?
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caddyroger
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join:2001-06-11
clubs:  | How feet is the span.You might just need a 6 in steel I beam every 20 ft. I could be wrong on the span.
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robbin
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join:2000-09-21
Leander, TX
| reply to Diddy1
Are you wanting 4x4 tubing or an I or H beam? Either should be available in that size. Look up steel in the yellow pages and start calling all of them. Some suppliers specialize in smaller dimension and some have really large stuff. How long of a beam do you need. |
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Greg_Z
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join:2001-08-08
Springfield, IL
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If there is not a footer in place, then the first thing, would be breaking up some concrete & pouring a footer. Something like this, you may be better to bring in a engineer to assess & go from there.
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wilbilt
Pronto Resurrected
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join:2004-01-11
Oroville, CA
| reply to Diddy1
Wide flange beams (H beams) are commonly referred to by their height and weight in lbs. per foot.
»www.saginawpipe.com/steel_i_beams.htm
Are you saying a support post was removed from under the beam?
If so, you should probably jack the beam up and replace the post.
Otherwise, you will need to determine the load on the beam and calculate what will be needed in a steel beam to safely support the load for the given span. Steel beams are not rated for "failure", they are rated for the allowable deflection over the span.
»www.engineeringtoolbox.com/beams···311.html
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sempergoofy
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join:2001-07-06
Smyrna, GA
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| reply to Diddy1
I do not want to discourage you from using steel, and it may not be applicable since you wrote "basement" and not "crawl space", but since this is a repair you might consider something like this: »www.ellisok.com/ellisok/rescon.html They have connections to fit 2x and 4x at the top.
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Greg_Z
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join:2001-08-08
Springfield, IL | Those are only for temp. use, not permanent use. You have to use a lolly column embedded in a footing to be proper for permanent placement.
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sempergoofy
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join:2001-07-06
Smyrna, GA
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| said by Greg_Z  :Those are only for temp. use, not permanent use. You have to use a lolly column embedded in a footing to be proper for permanent placement. »www.ellisok.com/ellisok/overview.html (Emphasis added by me.)
Ellis products and methods are intended to help contractors and firemen quickly, safely, and economically temporarily or permanently reinforce vertically suspended structures such as concrete buildings or the inside of mines. However, these products are not limited to the use of vertical applications but are also intended to be used in horizontal reinforcement situations as well; for instance, horizontal support for the walls inside of trenches. Our products are utilized by contractors and fire departments in all 50 states and many other parts of the world as well. --
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Waterbug
join:2008-03-30
| reply to Diddy1
Screw Jack Posts allow you to reinforce a floor beam and move it back to it's original position, slowly over a period of time. Slowly restoring the beams position allows things that have settled to reposition themselves. Once the post is in place, the screw can be adjusted weekly, until the original position is obtained. Here is a Homedepot link:
»www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/sto···Id=10053 |
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Diddy1
join:2003-07-19
Sidney, NE
| Hello everyone,
Thankyou for youre replies. Just to clarify, all the existing 4x4 beams are still in place. This was one beam removed across a span of about 20' with the surrounding beams still in place. I've already planned on using jacks to raise the beam to it's orignial postion. Waterbus post about doing over several weeks is good advice however, and I will follow that advice. Thankyou for that.
Robbin, glad to hear from you again. The height is about 7'. I guess I need to be more diligent in searching. Were out here in the plains of NE so not alot of options lol. I'm not familiar with the difference from an I, or H beam.
Greg_Z, there is a footer in place in the concrete floor from the previous support beam. I plan to put the new beam in it's place.
SemperGoofy, thankyou for that link. That looks very promising.
You've all been great thus far,
Aaron
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