Topic 'Turntable question.' in forum 'Audio/Video Chat' - dslreports.com

Re: Turntable question.

Sat, 22 May 2010 08:50:19 EDT

Steely posted : Interesting. Here's a picture of the same recording on the same label with the same catalog number but in standard 45 RPM format (with the large center hole):

A few references and some history here, but nothing about alternate speeds and formats...

»home.earthlink.net/~v1tiger/abnerrec.html

»www.globaldogproductions.info/f/falcon.html

»cgi.ebay.com/Jerry-Butler-Impres···71374977

Ah...just found what looks like yours...although this one is on the "Falcon" label. Apparently it was also issued in 78 RPM format!

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=h13XaUOAnFs

Finally found what appears to be an exact duplicate of yours (with the flip side pictured, however): »rateyourmusic.com/release/single···wine_f2/

Might be worth some money. Nice collectible!

Re: Turntable question.

Sat, 22 May 2010 00:12:18 EDT

Subaru posted : Ok just got home

Re: Turntable question.

Fri, 21 May 2010 23:09:14 EDT

Subaru posted :

said by Steely:

said by Subaru:

yikes I think I do have some 78's.. they look in between a 78 and a 45 and they feel like they could snap at any moment.. only thing is I never saw any speed on them and I think one of them is from '67

Photos??

Yeah when I get home

Re: Turntable question.

Fri, 21 May 2010 22:56:44 EDT

Steely posted :

Photos??

Re: Turntable question.

Fri, 21 May 2010 13:06:41 EDT

Subaru posted : yikes I think I do have some 78's.. they look in between a 78 and a 45 and they feel like they could snap at any moment.. only thing is I never saw any speed on them and I think one of them is from '67

Re: Turntable question.

Thu, 13 May 2010 20:01:51 EDT

drjim posted : SPROING!!!!

Re: Turntable question.

Thu, 13 May 2010 19:17:17 EDT

Subaru posted : Oh man.. what happens when you went over a large bump... :hmm:

Re: Turntable question.

Wed, 12 May 2010 12:49:25 EDT

howie posted : LOL... Yeah, my brother had an under-dash 45RPM record player in his '56 Chevy back in the late '60's. :-)

Re: Turntable question.

Wed, 12 May 2010 08:13:16 EDT

Steely posted :

said by sneskid:

hey, if I could get my turntable to work in the car - without damaging records while I'm driving, I would! :D

It's been tried before! ;)

It seemed like a good idea at the time...

HIGHWAY HI-FI...WHERE THE VINYL
MEETS THE ROAD

Re: Turntable question.

Wed, 12 May 2010 06:57:20 EDT

sneskid posted :

said by Steely:

Nothing really new here, but a good reminder...

The New York Times
Business
In Mobile Age, Sound Quality Steps Back
By JOSEPH PLAMBECK
Published: May 9, 2010

With the ease of loading music onto an iPod, a generation of fans has been happily trading fidelity for portability.

»www.nytimes.com/2010/05/10/busin···dio.html

hey, if I could get my turntable to work in the car - without damaging records while I'm driving, I would! :D

Re: Turntable question.

Mon, 10 May 2010 16:59:03 EDT

Steely posted : Nothing really new here, but a good reminder...

The New York Times
Business
In Mobile Age, Sound Quality Steps Back
By JOSEPH PLAMBECK
Published: May 9, 2010

With the ease of loading music onto an iPod, a generation of fans has been happily trading fidelity for portability.

»www.nytimes.com/2010/05/10/busin···dio.html

Re: Turntable question.

Mon, 10 May 2010 16:44:16 EDT

Subaru posted : I guess the demand?

I haven't done any work yet maybe next week when I have time off work I can start.

I dare not play any records now since I have a feeling my stylus is shot

Re: Turntable question.

Mon, 10 May 2010 15:33:08 EDT

Steely posted :

said by howie:

said by Steely:

OK, somebody please shoot me. I dropped a crapload of money today starting with $150 + shipping for the same thing howie bought recently: a new AT20SS stylus!

Subject: Your LP Gear Order

Date: Sun 02/14/10 07:16 PM
Thank you for your order.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------
ATN20SS Audio-Technica ATN20SS ATN-20SS stylus 1
$149.95 $149.95
Shipping: US Postal Service / UPS Ground
within US: $7.98
Sales
Tax: $0.00

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------

Total: $157.93

Cool! I'm sure you're going to like the AT20SS! :-)

Wow, prices seem to be spiraling out of control! Those ATN20SS styli we both bought from LP Gear for $149.95 just a few months ago are now going for $174.95!! :o
»www.lpgear.com/Merchant2/merchan···AT0020SS

On a related note, the "value" Shure M97xE cart, which I bought from Amazon in October 2008 for $55.49, is currently selling for $89.00! »www.amazon.com/Shure-M97xE-High-···0006I5SB

From a percentage point of view, these are rather hefty price increases! :huh:

Re: Remastered Beatles On Vinyl!

Thu, 06 May 2010 10:42:20 EDT

amungus posted : I wish I'd seen this webcast :)

»artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/···/?src=mv

"Instead of streaming the audio in a digital format, Mr. White and his crew have pointed a camera and a microphone at a record player spinning “Sea of Cowards” on vinyl at their office in Nashville."

Haven't heard their music yet, but after reading this, I will have to check out the album (probably in digital form, to see if I even like it, and if so, would purchase the vinyl...). I still have the Raconteurs "consolers of the lonely" on vinyl, sealed. Can't bring myself to open it yet, but I'm sure it'd sound amazing on the ol' AT ;)

Long live vinyl!

Re: Remastered Beatles On Vinyl!

Sun, 18 Apr 2010 08:10:40 EDT

Steely posted :

said by amungus:

... go support your local record store today and enjoy :)

At 30, Princeton Record Exchange Is Still Groovy

I'll be at the Princeton Record Exchange in a few hours! :-)

Re: Remastered Beatles On Vinyl!

Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:48:16 EDT

amungus posted : Happy Record Store Day!!! (»www.recordstoreday.com/)

Got a copy of Wilco's Kicking Television 4 LP set with 8 bonus tracks :D :D :D
It looks like it's also available online for those who might be interested - »www.nonesuch.com/albums/kicking-···-box-set
Price is a bit cheaper than the store where I got it, but hey, they deserve my business, and it's supposedly a pretty limited pressing (1000).

... go support your local record store today and enjoy :)

Re: Remastered Beatles On Vinyl!

Sat, 17 Apr 2010 08:54:35 EDT

howie posted : The 2009 remasters (both CD and USB apple) are clearly superior to anything that came before, and I'm sure the vinyl will be no different. I'm really looking forward to them!

[EDIT] Wow, 27,000 unique views on this thread... That has to be some kind of record (pun intended)! ;-)

Re: Remastered Beatles On Vinyl!

Fri, 16 Apr 2010 23:48:04 EDT

toups posted :

said by Steely:

said by howie:

I have my fingers crossed that March will be the release date...

The post I wanted to reply to was too old, but here's an update: »wogew.blogspot.com/2010/04/date-···ers.html

The very unofficial release date is now October 4, 2010!

How come I am skeptical that a remastered version would be an improvement?

Re: Turntable question.

Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:01:22 EDT

Subaru posted : let me guess the price? $600?

Re: Remastered Beatles On Vinyl!

Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:15:55 EDT

howie posted :

said by Steely:

said by howie:

I have my fingers crossed that March will be the release date...

The post I wanted to reply to was too old, but here's an update: »wogew.blogspot.com/2010/04/date-···ers.html

The very unofficial release date is now October 4, 2010!

Cool! At least now it appears to be official! :-)

Re: Turntable question.

Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:01:30 EDT

sneskid posted :

said by Steely:

said by sneskid:

From what years are these 45s?

Early '60s to mid '70s with the highest concentration from 1967-1970. Most are mono and beat up but there are a handful of stereo recordings from the early '70s. There are some true classics there, some of them still getting radio airplay some 40+ years later.

I actually don't have much experience with this one. I will say though, that for the worn stuff, I find the 1mil conical tends to do a better job.

Remastered Beatles On Vinyl!

Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:29:17 EDT

Steely posted :

said by howie:

I have my fingers crossed that March will be the release date...

The post I wanted to reply to was too old, but here's an update: »wogew.blogspot.com/2010/04/date-···ers.html

The very unofficial release date is now October 4, 2010!

Re: Turntable question.

Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:49:30 EDT

Steely posted :

said by sneskid:

From what years are these 45s?

Re: Turntable question.

Fri, 09 Apr 2010 10:19:40 EDT

sneskid posted :

said by Steely:

So, are you're saying you hear what sounds like wow and flutter, but it might not actually be wow and flutter? ;-)

I have an unrelated serious question for you (or anyone else who might want to reply): Is there any reason NOT to play my old mostly beat-up mono 45s on my Dual with the Audio-Technica cart and Shibata stylus? I have several boxes filled with great 45 RPM records!

damn, I really need to be checking back more often!

Lol I shouldn't say it sounds EXACTLY like flutter, but it's not too far off, either.

From what years are these 45s?

Re: Turntable question.

Sat, 03 Apr 2010 18:46:48 EDT

Subaru posted : sucks I don't have any right now

Re: Turntable question.

Sat, 03 Apr 2010 15:56:29 EDT

drjim posted : Mineral spirits should work fine, or maybe WD-40.
--
One man's Magic is another man's Engineering.

Re: Turntable question.

Sat, 03 Apr 2010 11:08:04 EDT

Subaru posted : So I think Im going to start cleaning up the turntable..

what should I use to clean the hard grease that has turned glue like?

Re: Turntable question.

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 19:53:12 EDT

Steely posted : So, are you're saying you hear what sounds like wow and flutter, but it might not actually be wow and flutter? ;-)

I have an unrelated serious question for you (or anyone else who might want to reply): Is there any reason NOT to play my old mostly beat-up mono 45s on my Dual with the Audio-Technica cart and Shibata stylus? I have several boxes filled with great 45 RPM records!

Re: Turntable question.

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 15:06:36 EDT

sneskid posted :

said by Subaru:

said by royphil345:

said by Subaru:

too bad im broke now lol

LOL!!!... If that's the same one I sent back (to a different dealer)... you DON'T want it.

The output was about twice as high as the new replacement I got. Either certain phasing in the music or ripples on the surface of the vinyl caused a "pulsing" sound... like the volume rapidly cutting in and out. Pretty sure it was wired wrong internally. I checked my connections plenty of times because I did not want to have to send my brand new cart back.

The new one sounds pretty good. A little "thick" sounding like the Shure, but a little more presence. Can't do any rips right now because my system's kind of rearranged at the moment.

So the shure M97XE is a good buy then?

I need to start working on my turntable just haven't found time enough to start cleaning out the gunk.

Is it just me or do I hear some wow and flutter in this video?

(youtube clip)

I'm back, replying to old posts!

You can't really tell sound quality from that video, for a couple reasons.

I do hear a bit of wowing, but at the same time, I have also had many cases where 45s don't fit the spindle adaptors quite right, and so I usually end up getting much better results by centering them, myself. Of course I have MANY 78s that are like this as well. I'm sure the record in this video is probably not quite centered, either.

As for fluttering, I have posted stuff up on YouTube that had absolutely no noticeable flutter, only to have the end result appear to have something sounding a bit like flutter. Digital compression, especially the amount used on YouTube, can do funny things, sometimes.

In this particular case however, even if it weren't for YouTube, I wouldn't have any idea of how this setup sounds, simply because the recording was not made by using a direct connection.
Instead, it was made using a microphone, which means I am now hearing the turntable, plus the speakers, plus the room noise, plus the room echo, plus the weaknesses of the microphone on the camera, etc.
LOTS of interference, here. ;)

Re: Turntable question.

Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:53:42 EDT

Subaru posted : I think I'm going to go with the audio technica I asked around on head-fi and everyone seemed to feel they are not bad at all for the price.

The thing about the Sony MDR V6 is they say the highs are a little too tinny sounding.

Ok back to turntables :D

Re: Turntable question.

Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:40:05 EDT

howie posted : Wow, now you're really going off-topic! :o

Here's a thread from the not-too-distant past:
»Looking for good over-the-ear headphones

I always recommend the Sony MDR-V6 without hesitation in the sub-$100 category. They always get great reviews, too...

»www.amazon.com/Sony-MDR-V6-Monit···0001WRSJ

[EDIT] BTW, They sound a LOT better than the MDR-V4's.

Re: Turntable question.

Mon, 29 Mar 2010 23:53:23 EDT

Subaru posted : I know this a turntable thread but I'm looking for some new headphones.. I took over my late father's Sony MDR-V4's and they are about as old as me (25)

I was looking at these Audio-Technica's

»www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/control···3&is=REG

The Sony's I have now don't really cover the whole ear still amazed how we kept track of them from CA to NC and all the way to CT lol.
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It's NOT Ni-kon It's NE-KON!

LG is NOT Lifes Good It's Lucky Goldstar!

Re: Turntable question.

Fri, 26 Mar 2010 03:36:51 EDT

royphil345 posted :

said by Steely:

The Ortofon 2M Blue with the "zing" that royphil345 talks about costs at least twice as much as the Shure, so I'd expect it to bring a little something extra to the table!

Yeah... I was probably hoping for just a lttle more "something extra" than it delivers. It can sound just a touch grainy at times like the Shure. But, it's performance does seem to match it's price. It seems to sound a little more agreeable to me than any other modern cart I've bought for less. Guess you just have to spend more than I thought to get a really 1st rate cart like Steely's and Howie's AT15s these days.

I picked up a vintage Audio Technica PRO13E and an AT13Ea (which came attached to Dual 522 in pretty nice shape). Haven't even tried the PRO13E yet. I think I prefer the "a" model over my 440MLa or Shure. So, some of the older mid-level Audio Technicas seem like a better option under $100.00 if one can find a cheap cartridge body and buy a NOS stylus for around $60.00. There are also the Audio Technica AT110E and AT95E I've read sound very good for a bargain price. But, I haven't heard them.

Re: Turntable question.

Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:17:45 EDT

Steely posted : BTW, this little combination phono preamp/external USB sound card was easily one of the best "bang for the buck" purchases I've ever made! I snapped the photo while I had the camera with me for the shots a few posts up.

Like the Shure M97xE, the price for it on Amazon has jumped up quite a bit recently, but right now B&H photo has it for $75.95 with free shipping, NOT a bad deal! :-)

»www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/3···ace.html

You have to add it to your cart to see the "special" lower price!

ART USB PhonoPlus v2

Re: Turntable question.

Wed, 24 Mar 2010 22:11:26 EDT

Steely posted :

said by Subaru:

said by royphil345:

said by Subaru:

So the shure M97XE is a good buy then?

I need to start working on my turntable just haven't found time enough to start cleaning out the gunk.

Is it just me or do I hear some wow and flutter in this video?

Eh... I'm not nuts about the M97xE. It sounds pretty good tone wise. But, I feel like I'm straining to hear leading edges and background noise seems invasive during quiet passages. The Blue has just a little more "zing" and seems to do better in these areas. I definitely find it more listenable. It does seem to share a slightly thick midrange and subdued detail with the Shure, but that little bit more presence makes all the difference.

Hard to say on the wow and flutter after YouTube gets done with the sound... lol... or is that what you were talking about? Sounds nice besides that! Looks like it's working good too. What table was that?

The video was not mine I was just asking if it was wow and flutter.

I might try the shure and if I don't like it return it.

Amazon used to sell the M97xE for under $60 including shipping. Not too long ago they suddenly jacked the price up into the $70-$75 range and now, as I type this, it's selling for $99.99. It's a GREAT $60 cart; not really such a good value at $100!

If you want to try it, LP Gear currently lists it for $79.95, but the real bargain right now -- if you can somehow take advantage of it -- is on the B&H site where it's listed at only $59 with free shipping. The problem is that it's "temporarily out of stock" so you can't actually buy it or even place an order! They do offer to notify you when it becomes available again and they'll let you place it in a "wish list" (which may or may not lock in the $59 price).

I basically liked my M97xE for the half-year or so I had it up and running, but it doesn't hold a candle to my vintage AT15XE with either the ATN15XE or ATN20SS stylus. The Ortofon 2M Blue with the "zing" that royphil345 talks about costs at least twice as much as the Shure, so I'd expect it to bring a little something extra to the table!

EDIT: I see J&R also has the M97xE for $59 with free shipping: »www.jr.com/shure/pe/SHU_M97XE/
Great price, if you want it! :)

Re: Turntable question.

Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:47:32 EDT

Subaru posted : Now I gotta go find a copy :D

Re: Turntable question.

Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:46:52 EDT

Subaru posted :

said by royphil345:

The video was not mine I was just asking if it was wow and flutter.

I might try the shure and if I don't like it return it.
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It's NOT Ni-kon It's NE-KON!

LG is NOT Lifes Good It's Lucky Goldstar!

Re: Turntable question.

Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:03:43 EDT

Steely posted :

said by Subaru:

Is it just me or do I hear some wow and flutter in this video?

It's not just you...I hear it, too!! :)

For comparison, here's an almost-wow-and-flutter-free short clip from the "electronically reprocessed for stereo" LP: »www.4shared.com/file/248299383/2···lip.html

When I get a chance, I'll look for my original Deram 45 rpm. If it's not too beat up it will probably sound better than this rather horribly "reprocessed" LP version!

Re: Turntable question.

Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:46:16 EDT

royphil345 posted :

Re: Turntable question.

Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:25:36 EDT

Subaru posted :

said by royphil345:

said by Subaru:

too bad im broke now lol

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8i6xMyr···=related
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It's NOT Ni-kon It's NE-KON!

LG is NOT Lifes Good It's Lucky Goldstar!

Re: For Steely Dan fans...

Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:24:02 EDT

Subaru posted : DVD audio never really took off?

Re: For Steely Dan fans...

Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:27:29 EDT

Steely posted :

said by howie:

said by Steely:

BTW, My original vinyl LP of "The Nightfly" is in near-mint condition and still sounds great but if you've never heard the DVD Audio 5.1 surround mix you're missing an audiophile's eargasm! :D

I just found my original 1983 CD copy of "The Nightfly". I remember it was one of the first CD's I purchased back when I got my first CD player. IIRC, "Nightfly" was one of the first all digital recordings (DDD, according to the "SPARS" code).

I remember CD's were hard to find back then, and many phone calls to record stores asking if they had CD's usually ended with "What's a CD?"... ;-)

If you did find a store who had them, they normally had at most a couple dozen titles or so, and most of those were classical.

"The Nightfly" on Wikipedia:
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nightfly

[EDIT] Note that the CD was made in West Germany (above). I think in the early days of CD, most titles were imports, as CD manufacturing in the USA was still in it's infancy.

Here's a 2-minute sample track from "Nightfly". Good stuff! :-)
»www.4shared.com/file/246904568/e···fly.html

"The Nightfly" on DVD Audio is nothing short of stunning! I'd rip a sample for you guys but I don't know how to do it. :(

BTW, I was almost certain I had it on CD but I can't find it anywhere!

Re: Turntable question.

Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:48:49 EDT

Steely posted : Any strong opinions on protective album outer sleeves and replacement poly-lined inner sleeves? I'm looking at these items and wondering if they're decent.

1) Record Jacket Sleeve. Fits over album jacket.

2) 12'' Polylined Sleeves
("Monkees" album not included!)

Free shipping...and a gift item, too! ;-)

Re: Turntable question.

Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:59:09 EDT

royphil345 posted :

said by Subaru:

too bad im broke now lol

Re: Turntable question.

Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:32:07 EDT

Subaru posted : too bad im broke now lol

Re: Turntable question.

Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:17:30 EDT

Steely posted :

said by royphil345:

said by Steely:

said by royphil345:

I just got an email from William Thakker telling me to send the 2M Blue back and he'll check it out. I'm pretty sure he'll find that it's defective and send me another, so that seems to be working out.

That's good news, RP. Just curious: Is "William Thakker" the actual person you're dealing with or is it just a company name? I wonder how long it will take them (or him) to arrive at a decision about this. If it were me, I'd probably ask for a refund up front or see if paypal can reverse the charges before sending something that expensive back to Germany and off into oblivion. Then again, he does have a 100% satisfaction rating on eBay!

I guess it's a company name because I'm dealing with a guy named Alexander. I'm not going to worry about it. They have 100% feedback on thousands of transactions and an all around good reputation on the web. I'm in no hurry... Not many web retailers would do more than exchange a defective item. I'm fine with that. Just hope it acts up the same way for them. I don't want it back!... lol. Got it in the mail today, so we'll see what happens in a week or so...

I'm 99% certain I just spotted royphil345's returned defective Ortofon 2M Blue!! ;)

»www.needledoctor.com/Closeouts

Ortofon 2M Blue Phono Cartridge

Returned product. Used for less than an hour.

List Price: $200
Price: $159.00

»www.needledoctor.com/Ortofon-2M-···tridge_3

Re: Turntable question.

Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:11:38 EDT

Subaru posted : the oldest cd I have I think is from 1989.

Re: For Steely Dan fans...

Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:18:00 EDT

howie posted :

For Steely Dan fans...

Sat, 20 Mar 2010 23:45:24 EDT

Steely posted : A bit off topic (like that's not the story with just about every other post in this thread ;)) but I just stumbled upon a cool discussion about Donald Fagen's "The Nightfly" over at the AudioKarma forums. There are some interesting references to various Fagen and Steely Dan projects scattered among the posts. If you're a "Dan" fan, and particularly if you're a Dan fan and an audiophile, you'll probably want to take a look!
»www.audiokarma.org/forums/showth···t=143424

BTW, My original vinyl LP of "The Nightfly" is in near-mint condition and still sounds great but if you've never heard the DVD Audio 5.1 surround mix you're missing an audiophile's eargasm! :D

Re: Turntable question.

Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:31:40 EDT

sneskid posted :

said by Steely:

You might want to take a look at this recent discussion about the Hi-Fi News Test Record. My favorite quote:

"If you don't wear a sliderule on your belt (even in the shower), you don't need any test records. All they seem to do is make people unhappy with their systems, when they could be enjoying music instead."

I don't really agree with that, although there IS a hint of truth in the statement. Unfortunately, when it comes to turntables and cartridges, rather precise measurements and adjustments are critical in order to minimize record wear and maximize the listening experience. It's just the nature of the beast. Many people can achieve near-optimal results without a test record, however, if it can help, then it's worth using one (even if it reveals flaws and weaknesses in your set-up).

Exactly. Plus, I like it, because it allows me to fine tune the adjustments a lot quicker, than I would be able to just by normal listening. As for exposing equipment flaws, while this record does do that, that isn't really its intent. It's about trying to get the best possible sound out of your cartridge as possible. Like anything, you have to respect the fact that NOTHING is perfect, and that definitely goes for anything audio related.

I think that if this record is actually *making* someone dislike his equipment that he was once happy with, then perhaps he's not using it correctly ;)
it's not like your music is actually going to sound any different after you use this, or anything - unless you make changes while using it, of course.

Besides, since some adjustments require constant checking, rechecking, re-rechecking, re-re-re checking - uhm .... you get the idea -, I would MUCH rather be doing this on a more durable test record with noise and tones, than on a record which has something on it that I might actually like listening to.