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Re: CEOs need better security said by FHBroadband8:People shouldn't have to be pestered like that, no matter who they are. I feel bad for CEOs cause I know what they go through. Pies in the face, eggs, bullhorns, you name it. Doing things like that just sets yourself up for a criminal complaint and jail time. Besides, those who do stupid things against CEOs almost always get caught. When people harassed the CEO where I worked, if it was by phone, I made 2 calls - 1 to a Captain in the police department and one to the account exec at AT&T. Immediate trace on phone. Several idiot employees got fired and one was arrested for making terroristic threats.
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Coloma, MI | said by fAcEtIOUs:Besides, those who do stupid things against CEOs almost always get caught. When people harassed the CEO where I worked, if it was by phone, I made 2 calls - 1 to a Captain in the police department and one to the account exec at AT&T. Immediate trace on phone. Several idiot employees got fired and one was arrested for making terroristic threats. Heh, I wish the little guy could get immediate relief like that from those terrorist telephone solicitors! |
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Someone needs to lighten up there , TK. The guy exercised his right to free speech. You seem to prefer enforcement.
It is one thing if someone trespassed, was hostile or threatened. This clever person merely showed that no one is private. Not even Corporate CEOs of communication companies (that have been allowing wiretapping since the phone system was invented).
It's not like the guy did a Ted Kaczinsky...wait a minute here...TK... Ted Kaczinsky...both have the same initials!!! I'm calling the Feds!!!
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1 edit | said by cableties:The guy exercised his right to free speech. It is one thing if someone trespassed, was hostile or threatened. This clever person merely showed that no one is private. Not even Corporate CEOs of communication companies (that have been allowing wiretapping since the phone system was invented). It's not like the guy did a Ted Kaczinsky...wait a minute here...TK... Ted Kaczinsky...both have the same initials!!! I'm calling the Feds!!! If I lived in that neighborhood(I wish), I would have called the cops on him for disturbing the peace.
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Limbo | reply to fAcEtIOUs
Yeah, nice to see the CEOs have the privilege of a direct call to police captains and the ability to trace phone calls while the typical guy has no similar recourse. Of course if pies in the face, eggs, or bullhorns were deployed against an average joe for doing something that several people found annoying, little would be done.
And you probably wonder why CEOs are targeted by average people when they do really stupid things while making obscene salaries. God forbid a CEO should have to actually listen to someone chewing their a$$ like everyone else who does something to piss others off.
Hint: CEOs != Gods. They should not be treated as such, and they should be just as vulnerable to having their a$$ handed to them as any other working man. Don't give us the crap that they have important jobs to do that somehow require them to be protected from such.
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Limbo | reply to fAcEtIOUs
And you would have gotten the same response as any other average guy--which is probably little to no response from the cops. Of course, if you told them "I'm the CEO of some bull$hit corporation", they'd probably be ther with SWAT, guns drawn and tear gas to haul the guy with the bullhorn off for some ridiculous reason.
You're free to call the cops on people who annoy you just like any CEO. The poblem comes when the cops and others respond to CEOs differently than they do you and I for the same issues.
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kudos:1 | reply to cableties
Sorry, but I think this guy crossed the line from free speech to Disorderly Conduct.
Speaking your mind in a newspaper, on a blog, on TV, or on the Internet is free speech.
Going to someones home with a bullhorn and harassing them is, well harassment. A CEO, while a well known individual is not a public figure, but a private citizen. He has the same right to be left alone as everyone else. Whether or not you believe his corporation is doing enough to protect your privacy rights is not grounds for making an ass of yourself.
Keep in mind he's not the only person in that house. His wife and children are most likely suffering at the hands of this idiocy.
Do we have a right to free speech in this country? Certainly. But, your rights end when they trespass on the rights of another citizen. You have the right to express yourself and your viewpoints, but you don't have the right to tell someone to go F#$C themselves in public, and certainly not at their home.
This douchebag deserves a summons for Disorderly Conduct and a court date.....
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Stepford, CA | said by N3OGH: A CEO, while a well known individual is not a public figure, but a private citizen. That's not for you to decide but a court of law. You may want to refresh your knowledge of what the legal definition of a public figure is before you go spouting off about who is and is not, counselor.
PUBLIC FIGURE - A term usually used in the context of libel and defamation actions where the standards of proof are higher if the party claiming defamation is a public figure and therefore has to prove defamatory statements were made with actual malice. Harte-Hanks Communications v. Connaughton (1989) 491 U.S. 657, 666-668. The "public figure" issue is not cut and dried. To begin with, a fairly high threshold of public activity is necessary to elevate a person to public figure status, Brown v. Kelly Broadcasting Co. (1989) 48 Cal.3d 711, 745, and, as to those who are not pervasively involved in public affairs, they must have "thrust themselves to the forefront of particular public controversies in order to influence the resolution of the issues involved" to be considered a "limited purpose" public figure. Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc. (1974) 418 U.S. 323, 345. A "particularized determination" is required to decide whether a person is a limited purpose public figure, Bruno & Stillman, Inc. v. Globe Newspaper Co. (1st Cir. 1980) 633 F.2d 583, 589, a standard ensuring that reasonable minds may differ on this subject. Advertisements themselves are not usually sufficient to transform someone into a public figure. Vegod Corp. v. American Broadcasting Companies, Inc. (1979) 25 Cal.3d 763, 770 [a person in the business world advertising his wares does not necessarily become part of an existing public controversy]; Rancho La Costa, Inc. v. Superior Court (1980) 106 Cal.App.3d 646, 661 [advertising is not thrusting oneself into the vortex of a controversy].
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said by fireflier:... You're free to call the cops on people who annoy you just like any CEO. The poblem comes when the cops and others respond to CEOs differently than they do you and I for the same issues. no truer words. it is not even the golden rule continues to apply. if nothing else it buys access to the people may not always get their support but at least with a pot o gold you can get their time
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not to mention but last i knew the right to free speech was to be insured from a government vs the people stand point.
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kudos:1 | reply to sonicmerlin
Yeah, name calling makes effective arguments. 
And his wife and children? Are they public figures?
What if that was YOUR wife and children enduring this crap?
I'm sure your viewpoint would be radically different.
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kudos:1 | reply to major marco
"That's not for you to decide but a court of law."
Precisely why my original post states this moron deserves a summons and a COURT DATE.
The fact that this is not a libel case (a civil matter) but a harassment case (a criminal matter) means there is a different standard.
Hey, you can be against everything that is corporate America MANNNNNN you can operate under the notion that greedy CEO's are evil MANNNNNNNN. But for Christ sake, how about NOT endorsing the idea of harassing people in their private homes?
Oh, BTW I'm not a lawyer, so please don't call me counselor....
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said by N3OGH:Yeah, name calling makes effective arguments. And his wife and children? Are they public figures? What if that was YOUR wife and children enduring this crap? I'm sure your viewpoint would be radically different. Ivan should go get a job as a regular old Verizon tech -- supposedly he used to do that. Then he wouldn't be so high profile and wouldn't have had this guy come and talk in front of his house. Remember, it's a free country. He doesn't HAVE to be a CEO. |
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Lighten up, Francis! |
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kudos:1 | Ya know, I often tell people that.
Thanks, I will take it to heart 
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i hate to call bullshit here. but i'm guessing that this tactic would not always work. |
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