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Re: What a crappy company! hmmm
company with no debt, 90M in the bank, solid biz model...
do your research b4 you comment.
sure sounds like a crappy company! wake up and buy some stock. |
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 ztmikeMark for moderationPremium
join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN | said by SVC Investor :
hmmm
company with no debt, 90M in the bank, solid biz model...
do your research b4 you comment.
sure sounds like a crappy company! wake up and buy some stock.
lol
Says the guy who owns stock. Trying to defend your purchase?  |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Technically, r81984  said, "Sandvine is one of the worst companies ever." SVC Investor merely pointed out that Sandvine is sitting relatively well from a corporate perspective. Business is business, and being a profitable business is definitely not being "one of the worst companies ever". |
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 r81984Fair and BalancedPremium
join:2001-11-14
Katy, TX
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| They are sitting well as long as ISP want to screw their customers.
They are a shitty company in the aspect they are encouraging limiting the internet.
If there ever is a net neutrality law that gets put in place sandvine will go out of business in the US.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Last time. Sandvine isn't "limiting the internet". Comcast's current implementation of Sandvine's Fairshare doesn't violate any network neutrality principles. Step outside of your box for a second and be objective. |
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 funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | said by openbox9:Last time. Sandvine isn't "limiting the internet". Comcast's current implementation of Sandvine's Fairshare doesn't violate any network neutrality principles. Step outside of your box for a second and be objective. "Any" is too big of a word. Fairshare doesn't affect Comcast's VOIP but it affects all other VOIP products. That's definitely a Network Neutrality issue. It is an issue for Comcast specifically because its VOIP products use the same RF frequencies as its HSI products and therefore takes from the same bandwidth pool. This arrangement is not true for all MSOs, but it is for Comcast.
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 espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2
·Clear Wireless
| said by funchords:"Any" is too big of a word. Fairshare doesn't affect Comcast's VOIP but it affects all other VOIP products. That's definitely a Network Neutrality issue. Wait... what?!
Comcast VoIP is service that is provided within Comcast's network and carries SLAs over call quality; the traffic never transverses the Ethernet port of a cable modem or emta to hit any device an end-user would have. Internet VoIP is just another Internet IP packet that happens to hit a media gateway somewhere out on the Internet, with a service provider that has no SLAs because there are no guarantees on Internet performance or packet delivery.
If FairShare specifically targeted VoIP traffic then maybe it would be a neutrality violation, but it doesn't work based on protocol. In traffic by quantity it is almost certain that Comcast phone traffic would naturally end up at the top of the prioritization scheme anyway.
The eMTAs have a separate "voice" and "data" side that happens to combine within the same box and shares a radio, but acts like 2 cable modems (different MACs, WAN IPs, etc). A customer can get the same effect by subscribing with 2 cable modems, putting their high importance / low bandwidth traffic (ie, VoIP) on one modem, and doing their heavy transfers on the other. |
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funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | said by espaeth:said by funchords:"Any" is too big of a word. Fairshare doesn't affect Comcast's VOIP but it affects all other VOIP products. That's definitely a Network Neutrality issue. Wait... what?! Before anybody gets too excited, there are reasons that this isn't a big deal. Read on...
said by espaeth:Comcast VoIP is service that is provided within Comcast's network and carries SLAs over call quality; the traffic never transverses the Ethernet port of a cable modem or emta to hit any device an end-user would have. The issue occurs because the first threshold in Fairshare is the port utilization, ports that serve these emtas. So we have the issue of Comcast's VOIP adding to the utilization being measured yet being exempt from its effects and penalties. Comcast's preferential scheduling of its VOIP, which I presume is happening, also raises the specter of NN.
said by espaeth:Internet VoIP is just another Internet IP packet that happens to hit a media gateway somewhere out on the Internet, with a service provider that has no SLAs because there are no guarantees on Internet performance or packet delivery. Comcast's HSI network is part of the Internet, so if discrimination is happening along these paths, it should be considered as to whether or not it is fair and right to do so. Comcast's VOIP travels across the metro area to some place near the access routers where it hits the PSTN. The first several hops are routers carrying Internet traffic and IP packets (VOIP or not, Comcast or not) compete there, together.
said by espaeth:If FairShare specifically targeted VoIP traffic then maybe it would be a neutrality violation, but it doesn't work based on protocol. In traffic by quantity it is almost certain that Comcast phone traffic would naturally end up at the top of the prioritization scheme anyway. Quantity is a reason why this isn't a big deal. It wouldn't be any deal at all of the eMTAs and cablemodem of a subscriber were linked together and the "over"-use by a cablemodem meant that both the cablemodem and the eMTAs suffered the consequences.
Another reason that this isn't a big deal is because it doesn't seem to actually be causing a disparity. None of the VOIP companies seem to be saying that Comcast's fairshare is impacting them. So it's hard to get excited about this, aside from the technicality.
said by espaeth:The eMTAs have a separate "voice" and "data" side that happens to combine within the same box and shares a radio, but acts like 2 cable modems (different MACs, WAN IPs, etc). A customer can get the same effect by subscribing with 2 cable modems, putting their high importance / low bandwidth traffic (ie, VoIP) on one modem, and doing their heavy transfers on the other. Except that Comcast doesn't offer that -- not without charging a full subscription for the second modem (if they'd do that at all).
By the way, it would be nice -- if Comcast offered a "less-than-best-effort" un-"capped" modem. I had suggested that as early as May of 2008 to folks at Comcast. That way the customer could voluntarily offload some of his bulk traffic to the non-peak hours. Users could pay a modem rental and ignore the 250 GB limit.
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 AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium
join:2003-02-06
Onion, NJ | Comcast sells a digital phone product, not VoIP
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funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | said by AVD:Comcast sells a digital phone product, not VoIP yeah, whatever. |
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AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium
join:2003-02-06
Onion, NJ | said by funchords:said by AVD:Comcast sells a digital phone product, not VoIP yeah, whatever. 
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| reply to SVC Investor
said by SVC Investor :
hmmm
company with no debt, 90M in the bank, solid biz model...
do your research b4 you comment.
sure sounds like a crappy company! wake up and buy some stock.
lol ... life isnt about getting rich in stocks you dick. a company should be going both ways to be successful.
all that bullshit you just said above, but .. ANNNNDDD provide good services to its customers.
wait, hold on . Is Bell or Rogers even trying to do that anymore ?
ok your an SVC Investor, im sure you know best dont you.
after all, intelligence brings in the riches donut.
( company with no debt, 90M in the bank, solid biz model... but offers nothing of real value in return to its customers ... is still a very bad company )
eat it. |
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this was taken from their latest press release just so you know.
ABOUT SANDVINE
Sandvine is focused on protecting saving money and improving controlling the quality of experience on the Internet. Our award-winning network equipment helps DSL, FTTx, cable, fixed wireless and mobile operators better understand how to cripple network traffic, increase decrease customer satisfaction, mitigate the proliferation of malicious traffic, manage create network congestion, and deliver QoS-prioritized multimedia services. With service provider customers in 70 countries serving over a hundred million broadband and wireless subscribers, Sandvine is enhancing decreasing the Internet experience worldwide. www.sandvine.com |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Why don't you turn your distaste towards your ISP instead of Sandvine? Comcast appears to currently be utilizing Sandvine technology without experiencing the issues you kindly editorialized about. |
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