pduffy4
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Re: UK Government Petition: No Swine Vaccine is from a loony
It was me who posted the petition, Peter Duffy.
So pauldenton, you think I am an idiot because I said that the Swine Flu was "a man made weaponized swine flu virus which will cause death or serious injury to members of the public" ?? On what research do you base your comment about my competency?
Clearly you have made this stupid comment before doing some research.
Perhaps you could read this article »www.pattayadailynews.com/shownew···00009894
Also this is a Patent, »tinyurl.com/lrvvpe, by Novartis was applied for in 2006, is for a vaccine for AH1N1. How can this be if the Swine Flu outbreak was a natural occurrence?
From the above Patent is this section ""[0032]The influenza virus may be a reassortant strain, and may have been obtained by reverse genetics techniques. Reverse genetics techniques [e.g. 16-20] allow influenza viruses with desired genome segments to be prepared in vitro using plasmids."" Yeh, reversed form the 1918 Spanish Flu.
Oh, did you not realise that the outbreak in Mexico happened near to a Baxter Lab! Bit like the last foot and mouth out break in England that was traced to Portandown lab!
Here is Baxters patent for a AH1N1 vaccine in 2008 »tinyurl.com/lmctmf
Mexican Swine Flu - A binary biowar weapon »tinyurl.com/ccaoqj
Homeless people die after bird flu vaccine trial in Poland
»tinyurl.com/6r7amq
Yeh, vaccines must be really safe if they only kill 21 young people out of 350. I should go and get one right away! NOT.
I hope I have given you enough to think about pauldenton! Must be nice to live in a dream world where the Government loves you and vaccines protect instead of cause disease and death! Dream on pauldenton  |
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pduffy4
join:2009-07-31
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Re: UK Government Petition: No Swine Vaccine
It was me who posted the petition, Peter Duffy.
Hi PC Doc 54,
You think I am a nutter? Perhaps you could have a read at the small number of links I have posted for your convenience below. Saves you having to actually do your own research, which you should do before calling someone a nutter.
Also we are not allowed to post links in the petition so there is no way to provide any evidence.
Perhaps you could read this article »www.pattayadailynews.com/shownew···00009894
Also this is a Patent, »tinyurl.com/lrvvpe, by Novartis was applied for in 2006, is for a vaccine for AH1N1. How can this be if the Swine Flu outbreak was a natural occurrence?
From the above Patent is this section ""[0032]The influenza virus may be a reassortant strain, and may have been obtained by reverse genetics techniques. Reverse genetics techniques [e.g. 16-20] allow influenza viruses with desired genome segments to be prepared in vitro using plasmids."" Yeh, reversed form the 1918 Spanish Flu.
Oh, did you not realise that the outbreak in Mexico happened near to a Baxter Lab! Bit like the last foot and mouth out break in England that was traced to Portandown lab!
Here is Baxters patent for a AH1N1 vaccine in 2008 »tinyurl.com/lmctmf
Mexican Swine Flu - A binary biowar weapon »tinyurl.com/ccaoqj
Homeless people die after bird flu vaccine trial in Poland
»tinyurl.com/6r7amq
Yeh, vaccines must be really safe if they only kill 21 young people out of 350. I should go and get one right away! NOT.
I hope I have given you enough to think about same as pauldenton!
Must be nice to live in a dream world where the Government loves you and vaccines protect instead of cause disease and death! Dream on dude |
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pduffy4
join:2009-07-31 | reply to Dude111
Thanks for posting this here. There are clearly a lot of ignorant people on this forum!
pduffy4 |
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pduffy4
join:2009-07-31
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You say "THERE WAS NO WIDELY AVAILABLE INACTIVATED FLU VACCINE UNTIL THE 1940s!"
Did I say there was in my petition? NO. Viruses were also unknown in 1918.
Here is a small section from a book called Vaccination The Silent Killer by E. McBean
QUOTE: THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC WAS A VACCINE-CAUSED DISEASE
E. McBean (Vaccination The Silent Killer p28)
Very few people realize that the worst epidemic ever to hit America, the Spanish Influenza of 1918 was the after effect of the massive nation-wide vaccine campaign. The doctors told the people that the disease was caused by germs. Viruses were not known at that time or they would have been blamed. Germs. bacteria and viruses, along with bacilli and a few other invisible organisms are the scapegoats which the doctors like to blame for the things they do not understand. If the doctor makes a wrong diagnosis and treatment, and kills the patient, he can always blame it on the germs, and say the patient didnt get an early diagnosis and come to him in time.
If we check back in history to that 1918 flu period, we will see that it
suddenly struck just after the end of World War I when our soldiers were returning home from overseas. That was the first war in which all the known vaccines were forced on all the servicemen. This mish-mash of poison drugs and putrid protein of which the vaccines were composed, caused such widespread disease and death among the soldiers that it was the common talk of the day, that more of our men were being killed by medical shots than by enemy shots from guns. Thousands were invalided home or to military hospitals, as hopeless wrecks, before they ever saw a day of battle. The death and disease rate among the vaccinated soldiers was four times higher than among the unvaccinated civilians. But this did not stop the vaccine promoters. Vaccine has always been big business, and so it was continued
doggedly. END QUOTE
Ypu can find more of the above extract near the foot of this very informative web site »www.drcarley.com/
You went on to claim "Plus, the new H1N1 vaccine does NOT contain the same genes that caused the virulency of 1918 pandemic flu." Nonsense!
It does contain the same genes because the AH1N1 Swine flu is genetically engineered from the 1918 flu. Tissue form a dead Inuit woman was used to reconstitute the virus, work stated in 1997.
This page gives good information »rense.com/general86/manmd.htm
Also this is a Patent, »tinyurl.com/lrvvpe, by Novartis was applied for in 2006, is for a vaccine for AH1N1. How can this be if the Swine Flu outbreak was a natural occurrence in 2009?
From the above Patent is this section ""[0032]The influenza virus may be a reassortant strain, and may have been obtained by reverse genetics techniques. Reverse genetics techniques [e.g. 16-20] allow influenza viruses with desired genome segments to be prepared in vitro using plasmids."" Yeh, reversed form the 1918 Spanish Flu.
Your last comment "Personally, I wouldn't be concerned about any pandemic unless it's from these guys (CDC)." was actually highly intuitive because they are involved in experimenting with viruses and making vaccines also. Read about the CDC here »tinyurl.com/klfjxa
Also »blogs.mercola.com/sites/vitalvot···sed.aspx
I also posted several other links in other posts on this thread. |
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pduffy4
join:2009-07-31
| reply to Dude111
The following are online books to enlighten about the dangers of ALL vaccines.
THE POISONED NEEDLE by Eleanor McBean
-»www.whale.to/a/mcbean.html
Swine Flu Expose by Eleanora I. McBean, Ph.D., N.D.
»www.whale.to/a/mcbean2.html
HORRORS OF VACCINATION EXPOSED
AND ILLUSTRATED: PETITION TO THE PRESIDENT
TO ABOLISH COMPULSORY VACCINATION (pdf)
»www.drcarley.com/Horrors_of_Vacc···osed.pdf |
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1 edit | reply to pduffy4
Re: UK Government Petition: No Swine Vaccine is from a loony
As far as I can tell, in [0032] the phrase "the influenza virus" refers to the virus that is used in the lab to prepare the antigen, which is not necessarily one of the actual strains which this vaccine can be used against.
It doesn't seem surprising to me that the source of the antigen may be subject to genetic engineering. It says nothing about what's out in the world.
Also, patent terminology tends to be as broad as possible. If I've actually tested it as a dessert topping, it doesn't stop me trying to claim ownership of any use as a floor wax.
From what I see, the "weaponized virus" believers tend to be one and the same as the "worldwide UN/WHO eugenics program conspiracy theorists". You'll have to forgive me if I incorrectly assumed you're one of the same. Do you have evidence that we might look at? I don't know enough about a random Thai web site to assess its credibility.
Personally, I am thankful we have vaccines. A number of crippling diseases that were around in the 1950s are no longer found today with any significant incidence, and vaccination is the reason why (yes, I'm aware of the nay-sayers). Vaccination is not risk-free, of course -- introducing anything foreign into your metabolism is clearly not always harmless. |
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Dude111
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Re: UK Government Petition: No Swine Vaccine
quote:
Thanks for posting this here. There are clearly a lot of ignorant people on this forum!
Its good to see you my friend!!
I posted this on several sites all with the same ignorance being shown.....
Makes me wonder if ppl are just scared so they deny it..... |
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dave
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| said by Dude111  : Makes me wonder if ppl are just scared so they deny it..... Makes me wonder why people are prone to deny the obvious conclusion ("we think it's false") and propose hidden reasons and secret agendas ("they're just scared"). |
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I just read Stirling Evansville's web site, which you linked to.
quote:
This will result in martial law lock downs and the use of RFID chips
(Mark of the Beast) being required to purchase food and other items.
This is the indelible mark of the nutcase: he veers from his subject (to whit, weaponized virii) into other obsessions such as RFID. And the reference to Revelations doesn't mark him as particularly interested in reality, either.
But if that's not enough for you, you can also enjoy Stirling's blog discussions of whether Barack Obama is the Antichrist, that the bible prophesied the Chernobyl nuclear accident, etc.
All in all, Stirling's not a guy I'd choose to add intellectual weight to my position on anything. |
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Pjr
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1 edit | Conspiracy theorists are planted by the government to hide the truth. |
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jvmorris
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| said by Pjr :Conspiracy theorists are planted by the government to hide the truth. I just realized that if you invert that statement -- Government is planted by conspiracy theorists to hide the truth -- it actually has a certain credibility. 
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Joseph V. Morris |
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Pjr
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2 edits | I deny I ever made that statement. My account was hacked by David Icke's long lost evil twin. |
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jvmorris
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Reston, VA | That's only because you haven't been reading the findings of Jeff Sharlet regarding "C Street" and "The Family".
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Joseph V. Morris |
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elliemac1st
join:2009-08-18
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| reply to pduffy4
Re: UK Government Petition: No Swine Vaccine is from a loony
Hi Peter, I have only just joined this site and I got interested after watching the programme with you and Amanda on controversial tv with Theo last week. I tried on Monday to get the letter that was going to be put on the website for people to download and take to eg police stations, but I ahve not managed to get it. Either I am a bit dim and am missing something or it is maybe not on the site.
Can you spare a couple of minutes to sort my query out.
I am totally behind everything that has been detailed, all the way and I am trying to do what I can from my side, to let as amny people know what is being done to us and for them to open their eyes and see beyond the goodness of these politicians etc!!! yeah that is a tongue in cheek description.
Thanks Elliemac1st |
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pduffy4
join:2009-07-31
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Swine flu jab link to killer nerve disease: Leaked letter reveals concern of neurologists over 25 deaths in America
Read more: »www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article···OZpBLESH
So pauldenton still think I am loony? Only 2 days after my petition expired it is reported in the papers that 25 people have already died form the Swine Flu vaccine. Do you still think it is SAFE!? |
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pduffy4
join:2009-07-31
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Sorry you have me mistaken with someone else. I have never been on controversial tv with Theo.
Politicians don't have any goodness except from themselves. The Government and ALL supposed public authorities are all private companies. Watch this video for a clear explanation. »www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVg4vA8mraA
I have been to two different Police Stations in Glasgow, Police HQ in Pitt Street and Helen Street Police Station which is supposed to be the main station dealing with terrorism. Neither took any action.
Now that 25 people have died in the USA from the Swine Flu vaccines I may try again.
Are you from the UK? |
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pduffy4
join:2009-07-31
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Re: UK Government Petition: No Swine Vaccine
Hi Dude
Perhaps now that 25 people have been killed by Swine Flu vaccines in the USA people will see sense.
Swine flu jab link to killer nerve disease: Leaked letter reveals concern of neurologists over 25 deaths in America
Read more: »www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article···OZs0xtSH |
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jvmorris
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| Just out of curiosity, can you find any source a bit more credible than the Daily Mail? (I know you can find some that are less credible.)
In the US (with over 300 million residents), it's not at all unusual to hear of a popular over-the-counter medication that causes 25 deaths after it's first introduced. (That's less than 1 in 10 million and no pre-release clinical trials are going to detect the vulnerability.) What happens, once the possibility is raised is that Warning Labels are added indicating who should not use the medication -- but it takes some time to figure out what the problem is.
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pduffy4
join:2009-07-31
| What the hell are babbling on about? !!! You post is total nonsense with no relevance whatsoever to the Swine Flu vaccine deaths!
A vaccine is NOT an over-the-counter medication!
So because the Daily Mail have a report you don't like you are claiming they are not reliable?
Go back to sleep. |
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pauldenton
join:2003-12-20
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2 edits | reply to pduffy4
Re: UK Government Petition: No Swine Vaccine is from a loony
said by pduffy4 :So pauldenton still think I am loony? yes, since you ask.....
said by pduffy4 :Only 2 days after my petition expired it is reported in the papers that 25 people have already died form the Swine Flu vaccine. Do you still think it is SAFE!? yes*
and the Daily Wail is not "the papers" - a headline appearing there {especially in the "silly season" when even proper newspapers print any old crap because the real journos are on holiday......} makes it less credible not more..... doubly so for vaccination related stuff which the Mail has a long history of scaremongering about {and they've predictably got quotes from "jabs" in their article}
and posting the same link twice in the same thread barely 10 minutes apart doesn't make it any more useful, or authoritive.....
*if one analyses the Wail's story, suspends all disbelief for a moment and assumes all it's claims are true and not exaggerated etc and we have:
a) a claimed GBS rate for the 1976 vaccine they refer of of 1 in 80k {since they only claim an 8 fold increase in the risk of GBS - so 1 in 8 of those would have got GBS anyway, with similar fatality rates, and the increased risk of GBS is in fact 1 in 91428...}
b) a claimed fatality rate of 1 in 1.6 million {i.e. 1 in 20 of those with GBS... increased fatality rate therefore just under 1 in 1.8 million....}
which would be, whilst not desireable, still perfectly acceptable odds in a vaccination against a disease with an expected fatality rate of, even if one takes the lowest fatility rates for pandemic Flu waves (Hong Kong Flu in '68/70) 0.1% i.e. one in a thousand {Spanish flu ran at 2.5% - Swine Flu is currently running at about 0.25%....} with likely infection rates of (again based on the 58 and 68 pandemics) 25-30% of the popuilation...... 
that equates to a death rate unvaccinated against Swine Flu of about 25%x0.1% = 1 in 4000 - a somewhat more appreciable risk than 1 in 1.6/1.8 million, or even 1 in 80000/91000
the article certainly doesn't come anywhere close to the hyperbolic claims of weaponised viruses and "massive loss of life" you made in your petition......  |
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