jvmorris
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Re: UK Government Petition: No Swine Vaccine
You really do have a problem, don't you?
I tell you that it's not uncommon for 25 people in the US to die from a mass appeal over-the-counter medication to die shortly after it's been introduced because the particular issue that makes them vulnerable has not yet been identified from clinical tests conducted before its certification, and you tell me that this has no relevance?
Let me try again: It's not unusual for 25 people to die in the US from an over-the-counter medication in the first few years after its introduction; how then can a similar number of people dying from a Swine Flue vaccine be evidence of a massive Government conspiracy?
My comment (or rather observation) about the Daily Mail has absolutely nothing to do with whether I like or dislike their report.
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pduffy4
join:2009-07-31 | THEY DIED FORM SWINE FLU VACCINE! Not an over-the-counter medication! When have you ever bought a vaccine over-the-counter from the Chemist? Idiot! |
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jvmorris
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Reston, VA | Paul's already dealt with this, I see.
But you probably don't understand that either.
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Perhaps now that 25 people have been killed by Swine Flu vaccines in the USA people will see sense.
Somehow i dont think this will even help them realize it! |
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Re: UK Government Petition: No Swine Vaccine is from a loony
We are not told how many people were tested with the swine flu vaccine so it is not possible from the article to say what the mortality rate is in the case of the 25 deaths.
However we know that 21 out of 350 people tested with a Bird Flu vaccine died earlier this year. That is 1 in 16.667 people. But there could have been 50% that were given a placebo, it that is the case then the death rate is about 1 in 8. If 60,000,000 UK people were vaccinated with that Bird Flu vaccine it would mean 7.5 million deaths entirely due to the vaccine.
The 1918 Spanish Flu (as they chose to call it) was caused entirely by vaccinations.
So are you going to take the Swine Flu vaccine?
The Daily Mail is not the only source telling of the dangers of vaccines. Don't bother asking for links.
You are living in denial, which is just tough luck for you. |
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pduffy4
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Re: UK Government Petition: No Swine Vaccine
They really are thick as shit aren't they Dude1111 ! Total fruit loops!
And jvmorris keeps talking about "over-the-counter medications" ! As I said, vaccines are not over-the-counter medications!!! |
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Dude111
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Indeed........ (Like on that other site i showed you)
Im glad to see your finally ashore  |
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pduffy4
join:2009-07-31 | The Sheffield Forum was even worse than here! I couldn't believe the nonsense coming from them! |
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jvmorris
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How clever of you not to point out that those 25 people who died in the US were not victims of the vaccine for the current swine flu virus, but rather of one feared in 1976!
There are concerns that there could be a repeat of what became known as the ‘1976 debacle’ in the US, where a swine flu vaccine killed 25 people – more than the virus itself.
A mass vaccination was given the go-ahead by President Gerald Ford because scientists believed that the swine flu strain was similar to the one responsible for the 1918-19 pandemic, which killed half a million Americans and 20million people worldwide.
Within days, symptoms of GBS were reported among those who had been immunised and 25 people died from respiratory failure after severe paralysis. One in 80,000 people came down with the condition. In contrast, just one person died of swine flu. Of the 1976 situation, correct? And the program was then cancelled, was it not? Again, how does this establish a massive international Government program to decimate the population of the UK, never mind the world today?
Actually, all this does is establish that the vaccination program used at that time was cancelled because it had an unacceptable risk rate, hardly what you are trying to turn it into.
More than 40million Americans had received the vaccine by the time the programme was stopped after ten weeks. The US Government paid out millions of dollars in compensation to those affected. Errmmm, and how many more had died by then?
The swine flu virus in the new vaccine is a slightly different strain from the 1976 virus, but the possibility of an increased incidence of GBS remains a concern. Vaccines work only against a particular strain of a virus; this is true even in the case of normal flu viruses, which is why there's typically a new vaccine every year since viruses constantly mutate. Saying it's only slightly different is a bit of journalistic freedom of expression -- it's either the same or it's different from an epidemiologists' viewpoint.
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pduffy4
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| Actually the article begins "A warning that the new swine flu jab is linked to a deadly nerve disease has been sent by the Government to senior neurologists in a confidential letter."
Do you notice it uses the word NEW ? I don't think the Mail would be warning us of the dangers of the 1976 swine flu vaccine 33 years AFTER the fact!
Here is an online book about the 1976 swine outbreak »www.whale.to/a/mcbean2.html
The same author wrote this book in 1957:
THE POISONED NEEDLE by Eleanor McBean
»www.whale.to/a/mcbean.html |
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Yes but its the same VACCINE (Even worse now) so 25 all were fatally affected by this while who knows how many more were SEVERLY INJURED!! |
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pduffy4
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You typed "Vaccines work only against a particular strain of a virus"
No vaccines do NOT work. |
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jvmorris
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Sure. That's exactly what they do in situations like this. Once there's a suspicion of adverse (and especially deadly or disabling consequences) from a vaccine, the authorities put out warnings to epidemiologists and others to have any such cases investigated (including post mortems, of course) to establish whether or not the vaccine was instrumental and exactly what other factors may have contributed. Isn't this exactly what you'd want them to do?
Again, how does this establish a massive international Government conspiracy to kill off as much of the British population as possible? If anything, it suggests precisely the opposite to me.
And the Mail will warn you of the consequences of spitting on the sidewalk in August.
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jvmorris
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said by pduffy4  :You typed "Vaccines work only against a particular strain of a virus" No vaccines do NOT work. Hokayyyy. . . . Glad you got that off your chest. So, ... none of the vaccines I've ever had work? Is that correct? Just wanted to make sure I got that right.
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I found it quite ironic that at about the same time as the deaths occurred in Poland from bird flu vaccines, there was a story, also in the Mail, about the Optimum Population Trust (read Eugenics society) claimed »www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article···ons.html
So there is propaganda that we are over crowded.
Frankly I do think the population in Britain is out of control but it can't be solved by committing mass murder. After all, it is the corrupt British Government (private company) which has allowed 10's of millions of immigrants to enter Britain over the last 40 years. Which has resulted in many millions of Brits leaving. Now the Government start bitching that there are too many people! What do they expect when there is an open door immigration policy; The whole point of which was to bring about the excuse that there are too many people, so lets kill millions. |
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Correct. I hope you are not going to start claiming small pox was eradicated by vaccines!
Smallpox was eradicated by better hygiene standards. Smallpox was in steady decline before vaccination, same for polio.
»www.whale.to/a/coleman.html
»www.whale.to/v/creighton.html
»www.whale.to/v/hadwen.html |
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jvmorris
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Oh, I will agree (based on my own experience as a fairly frequent visitor) that the UK (more specifically England) is getting badly overpopulated, but that's a consequence of the policies of the current Government with which I do not agree. But, hey, I'm just the Occasional Tourist.
Now, that being said, please explain why the self-same Government would then launch a non-discriminating vaccine to kill off millions of people (some of whom may well be the newly arrived immigrants, indeed possibly a great proportion of them or maybe you're not familiar with what happened in the US when the Europeans began spreading across the American Continents).
And I must have missed the announcement by the Labour Government that there are too many people in the UK! Indeed, last time I checked, they were maintaining there was room for millions more!
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I was vaccinated and had my appendix* removed as a child. I have Asthma and short sight which are caused by Vaccines. I also have some Psoriasis. I have chicken pox as a child also. SO has my older brother had same problems except for Asthma, though he has much worse Psoriasis.
I also had febrile convulsions as a result of being vaccinated so I was not allowed any more vaccines.
*The appendix helps support the immune system. So why remove it! To help make sure I was unhealthy 'cause big pharma can't make money from healthy people!
I have to pay out money for new spectacles every few years and I need to pay for inhalers or I could die from vaccine induced asthma like one of my brothers friends who died in 1981 from asthma attack, he found by his mother dead in his bed! |
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jvmorris
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Where did I say small pox was eradicated?
I'm simply saying that far fewer people died after the vaccines were introduced than would have otherwise died.
And I will tell my friends afflicted by it that polio was declining (in your opinion) before the introduction of the Salk and Sabine vaccines. I'm sure they'll be incredibly satisfied by your assertion. On this side of the pond, many of us are quite happy that these vaccines have worked as well as they have.
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jvmorris
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Oh, gimme a friggin' break! Your short-sightedness and asthma are hardly likely to have been caused by a vaccine and I challenge you to present any hard medical evidence to that effect. Similarly, psoriasis is hardly a consequence of vaccination. Can you provide any evidence that yours is? Indeed, given the almost universal nature of vaccinations in the US for a multitude of diseases, the entire US population would suffer from asthma and short-sightedness if this were true! (And that's not the case.)
Are you really seriously maintaining that your appendicitis was a consequence of vaccinations? Just curious, I have twin sons -- one of whom had acute appendicitis (it ruptured before treatment) and the other did not, but both had precisely the same vaccinations. (And that was over 20 years ago.) On the other hand, I had a tonsillectomy at age 3 and that has a far more demonstrable effect on your immune system than your assertion that the appendix does! Yet none of my children have had tonsillectomies, but they've had far more vaccinations that those which I had, certainly at that age.
I don't recognize the 'febrile convulsions' remark, will have to look that up. Still, what I'm starting to see here is a person who blames all of their health problems on vaccinations when that is not necessarily the case. I won't bother you with all the 'causes' of the problems that common folklore were used to explain my own problems to me, but vaccines were not among them.
As for spectacles, I need to get my prescription renewed yearly now. Luckily, my asthma has now long since passed off.
Well, at least now I know where you're coming from.
And I suffer from both conditions. Well, that's not quite true, the asthma seems to have passed now. At the moment, I'm working on getting emphysema.
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