 pauldenton
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| reply to pduffy4 Re: UK Government Petition: No Swine Vaccine is from a loony
said by pduffy4 :We are not told how many people were tested with the swine flu vaccine so it is not possible from the article to say what the mortality rate is in the case of the 25 deaths. err - read the mail article again.....
said by Daily Mail : 500 cases of GBS were detected. The vaccine may have increased the risk of contracting GBS by eight times. . . 25 people died from respiratory failure after severe paralysis. One in 80,000 people came down with the condition
that is a death rate of 25 in 500 or 1 in 20 of those detected with GBS {if you postulate that some cases of GBS were missed (a situation that is unlikely given it's symptoms) then that makes the true death rate even lower...}
said by pduffy4 :The 1918 Spanish Flu (as they chose to call it) was caused entirely by vaccinations. nonsense
said by pduffy4 :So are you going to take the Swine Flu vaccine? well since i am not amongst the groups who will get it in the first wave it is atm a somewhat academic question for me
but, in the spirit in which it is asked, i certainly expect that when offered it i will, just as i have had "regular flu jabs" in those past years when i was offered it
said by pduffy4 :The Daily Mail is not the only source telling of the dangers of vaccines. Don't bother asking for links. i am unaware of any source whose "dangers" are not wildly exagerated and/or display a singular lack of numeracy {a common fault in the UK media, sadly} |
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| reply to jvmorris Re: UK Government Petition: No Swine Vaccine
I did not have appendicitis so far as I am aware. They removed the appendix because they claimed in those days (early 70s) that the appendix could cause problems in later life. They also claimed that the appendix actually had not function, which was wrong. (I was born June 1970.)
I doubt every american has been vaccinated so your assertion that every american should have asthma and need specs would not happen.
Vaccines cause auto immune disease. You'll need to look at this web site »www.drcarley.com/ for information about vaccines causing asthma and auto immune disease.
There is also independent research carried out proving that vaccine are the cause of cancer in pets. »www.drcarley.com/Science_of_vacc···mage.pdf
It is 2:56 am here and I am off to bed. |
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| reply to pduffy4 said by pduffy4 :Actually the article begins "A warning that the new swine flu jab is linked to a deadly nerve disease has been sent by the Government to senior neurologists in a confidential letter." Do you notice it uses the word NEW ? I don't think the Mail would be warning us of the dangers of the 1976 swine flu vaccine 33 years AFTER the fact! actually that's exactly the kind of thing that the Mail is prone to...... 
what the article reads like to me {and i note that they have pointedly not actually given only selected details of the letters, which i suspect is because they don't match the sensationalist tone of the article} is that someone has passed them the standard-style letters which goes out about all flu jabs to ensure that Neurologists (who will be the consultants who any GBS cases will be seen by) are alert to the possibility of increased incidence of GBS if the 76 events were to repeat and ensure any cases are reported asap
it's actually a case of "nothing new here" |
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  jvmorris I Am The Man Who Was Not There. Premium,MVM join:2001-04-03 Reston, VA
| reply to pduffy4 Sorry; I'd lost track of time (over here) and never thought how late it was getting to be in the UK (but I'll know again soon enough!).
Still, you most recent remarks about the appendectomy are revealing. If you were born in June 1970 and the appendectomy was performed in the early 70s, who told you about why it was removed? Was it your parents or was it someone else? I've never heard of any physician who maintained that 'the appendix could cause problems in later life' and should therefore be removed. Were your parents hanging around with some rather weird community? On the other hand, I can attest to the fact that at that time (and to this day, I believe), the general medical opinion is that the appendix serves no discernable purpose in modern man and that the presumption is that it did earlier on. But what that purpose was remained largely conjectural. What ;purpose is it that you understand the appendix serves in modern man? It is neither a ducted nor ductless gland, but rather a vestigial appendage to the digestive system.
Quite likely not every American has been vaccinated, but the vast majority have -- and the vast majority suffer from neither short-sightedness nor asthma. These days you can't attend public school without producing a certificate that you have had all requisite vaccinations. -- Regards, Joseph V. Morris |
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| reply to pduffy4 Appendectomy.....
said by pduffy4 :I did not have appendicitis so far as I am aware. They removed the appendix because they claimed in those days (early 70s) that the appendix could cause problems in later life. They also claimed that the appendix actually had not function, which was wrong. (I was born June 1970.) hmm - certainly in the early 70s it was standard practice here, if it was found to not be appendicitis once a suspected appendicitis patient had been opened up to remove the healty appendix anyway - principally because one is trading off the risk of appendicitis later on, and therefore another operation under general anaesthetic* (or in worst case death if not treated) against what was then thought an organ entirely without purpose..... {about 8% or so of people will have (actual) acute appendicitis at some time in their lives...appendectomy is about half as common again...}
it's (possible) use was only discovered ("the jury is still out" afaik) in 2007 - and even then it's still considered by the discoverers to be useless in developed countries {where Cholera or Ameobic dysentery are not significant risks..}
*which was far riskier then than now - then up to 1 in 10k patients given a general would die from it 
a general anaesthetic still has a mortality rate of 5-6 per million (even after those most at risk have been identified and alternatives used...) {that is, of course, with a properly trained/qualified anaesthatist - which is why Dentists aren't alowed to do them any more |
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| reply to jvmorris Appendix function
said by jvmorris :On the other hand, I can attest to the fact that at that time (and to this day, I believe), the general medical opinion is that the appendix serves no discernable purpose in modern man and that the presumption is that it did earlier on. But what that purpose was remained largely conjectural. What ;purpose is it that you understand the appendix serves in modern man? It is neither a ducted nor ductless gland, but rather a vestigial appendage to the digestive system. the purpose postulated in 2007 is this: quote: Drawing upon a series of observations and experiments, Duke University Medical Center investigators postulate that the beneficial bacteria in the appendix that aid digestion can ride out a bout of diarrhea that completely evacuates the intestines and emerge afterwards to repopulate the gut. Their theory appears online in the Journal of Theoretical Biology. "While there is no smoking gun, the abundance of circumstantial evidence makes a strong case for the role of the appendix as a place where the good bacteria can live safe and undisturbed until they are needed," said William Parker, Ph.D., assistant professor of experimental surgery, who conducted the analysis in collaboration with R. Randal Bollinger, M.D., Ph.D., Duke professor emeritus in general surgery. . . "Diseases causing severe diarrhea are endemic in countries without modern health and sanitation practices, which often results in the entire contents of the bowels, including the biofilms, being flushed from the body," Parker said. He added that the appendix's location and position is such that it is expected to be relatively difficult for anything to enter it as the contents of the bowels are emptied. "Once the bowel contents have left the body, the good bacteria hidden away in the appendix can emerge and repopulate the lining of the intestine before more harmful bacteria can take up residence," Parker continued. "In industrialized societies with modern medical care and sanitation practices, the maintenance of a reserve of beneficial bacteria may not be necessary. This is consistent with the observation that removing the appendix in modern societies has no discernable negative effects." . . Parker conducted a deductive study because direct examination the appendix's function would be difficult. Other than humans, the only mammals known to have appendices are rabbits, opossums and wombats, and their appendices are markedly different than the human appendix. Parker's overall research into the existence and function of biofilms is supported by the National Institutes of Health. Other Duke members of the team were Andrew Barbas, Errol Bush, and Shu Lin.
»www.dukehealth.org/HealthLibrary/News/10151
it is always going to be guesswork, since one could hardly design a human experiment to test the theory  |
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said by pduffy4 : You post is total nonsense with no relevance whatsoever to the Swine Flu vaccine deaths! And your video of some guy in a balaclava is relevant to that? Yeah, I get the 'whole over-arching conspiracy' angle, but that's the usual conspiracy-buff approach. Always skip to the next link, never get pinned down.
You sure have a great way at persuading people; I can understand how it is that your petition attracted so many signatures. |
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1 edit | reply to pduffy4 said by pduffy4 :Frankly I do think the population in Britain is out of control but it can't be solved by committing mass murder. That's very nice of you. I guess you're not all bad.
The whole point of which was to bring about the excuse that there are too many people, so lets kill millions. Oh, now I get it.
1) The government deliberately increases immigration, so
2) The population will complain, so
3) The government can murder people.
Are you stark staring mad? There was nothing in the article that even suggested murder. Not a hint. The remedies quoted include "stop or reduce immigration" and "have fewer children". |
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  wonko3fc Verbum sat sapienti
join:2001-06-02 UK | reply to jvmorris I had my tonsils removed 'as a matter of course' in the late 60's That practice has since been stopped. Never felt the urge to go sue or demand public apologies though... |
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| reply to dave The Governments are private companies, they have employers who are the owners of the Banks and Industry. They are the real Government.
I can't help if you are ignorant of who really runs things, your fault not mine.
The article says the population needs to be reduced. Just how are they going to do that considering the immigrants will not want to leave? Mass immigration is the cause of the population of Britain reaching at least 61 million, which is what the Government will admit to. The British Government is not lawful as it is a private company so all immigrants allowed in by the Government are, by default, illegal immigrants.
The timing of the article coinciding with Baxter contaminating 72 kg of human vaccine with Bird Flu which would have caused massive loss of life should be too much even for sceptics to think it was an accident.
The replacing of the white population with immigrants is ethnic cleansing, according the definition of ethnic cleansing. So the Government is already committing a crime against the people of Britain. |
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| reply to dave Why don't you give a opinion of the content of the video instead of commenting on his balaclava.
That's all people on here can do, give stupid ignorant comments and AVOIDING the real issues and also offering no proof that I am wrong.
For example where is the independent evidence that vaccines are safe? There is no independent evidence or someone would have posted links. By independent I mean someone who is not a shill of the vaccine companies or Governments. |
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1 edit | reply to Dude111 Pduffy, your posts show just how ignorant the British public are! How anybody can deny the facts is beyond me. Could you please provide some so that we can truly appreciate your greatness? -- It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to the wall. |
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| reply to pduffy4 said by pduffy4 : By independent I mean someone who is not a shill of the vaccine companies or Governments. I assume it will be you who decides who is and isn't a shill. -- It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to the wall. |
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join:2009-07-31 | As best as I can. Considering I have been looking into the dangers of Vaccines for 2 years and have not yet seen any independent evidence they are safe I am not going to hold my breath. |
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join:2005-12-11 UK 2 edits | As best as I can.
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join:2009-07-31 | Well, I gave Dr Carley as an expert in vaccine damage and her being struck off, is cast up. When I say she was struck off because she was telling the truth about vaccines people choose not to believe it. |
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2 edits | I assume that is Rebecca Lee Roczen AKA Rebecca Carley who was struck off when found to be
said by »www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/carley.html :guilty of "practicing while impaired by a mental disability" and "having a psychiatric condition which impaired her ability to practice medicine." In fact:
said by »www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/carley.html : Her medical license was suspended for five years with a provision that her ability to practice could be restored after one year if she sought psychiatric treatment and the psychiatrist recommended that she be considered fit to practice again. In 2004, however, the state's Administrative Review Board for Professional Conduct (ARB) concluded that her thinking was so rigid that the only way to protect the public would be to revoke her license I'm not surprised that no-one trusts her evidence especially when she
said by »www.casewatch.org/board/med/carl···04.shtml :- suffers from a delusional disorder with the presence of narcissistic and borderline personality traits; - believes her husband sodomized her son as part of a satanic ritual because the Respondent does not vaccinate and because she cures children with autism; - believes the government is pursuing all those who oppose vaccination, in collusion with the drug industry; - suffers delusions of persecution and grandiosity; - holds a rigid and restricted approach to her perception and interpretation of reality; - has displayed belligerent and agitated conduct in dealing with the Nassau County Police Department and Department of Social Services concerning her son, who currently lives in foster care; - exhibited erratic and emotionally unstable conduct during a rehabilitation residency at Nassau University Medical Center; and; - exhibited inappropriate and bizarre behavior during the BPMC hearing. -- It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to the wall. |
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1 edit | reply to pduffy4 said by pduffy4 :Why don't you give a opinion of the content of the video instead of commenting on his balaclava. That's all people on here can do, give stupid ignorant comments and AVOIDING the real issues and also offering no proof that I am wrong. For example where is the independent evidence that vaccines are safe? There is no independent evidence or someone would have posted links. By independent I mean someone who is not a shill of the vaccine companies or Governments. How can you trust someone is telling the truth if all they want to do is hide their face.
I dislike politicians, they`re only interested in what they can make for them selves, I all so dislike scaremongers who are only interested in forcing their views on everybody else, the problem most of us have is who do we trust, politicians or scaremongers, I personally don`t trust either, if I don`t have the flu vaccine it`s my choice and not because I believed a scaremonger, if I do have the flu vaccine again it`s my choice and not because I believed a politician. -- If you resolve to give up smoking, drinking and loving, you don't actually live longer; it just seems longer Clement Freud
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| reply to Pjr The easiest thing for corrupt officials to do is to discredit the mental well being of someone that is telling the truth. It is the word of a shrink against the victim. The victim being Dr Carley and you are buying the lies hook line a sinker.
The is also the case of Dr Phyllis Mullenix who was asked to do experiments to see what the effect of Fluoride was on rats. Her experiments showed that Fluoride caused Attention Deficit and Hyperactivity Disorder, memory problems and could lower IQ. After her study was accepted for publication she was fired from hew job and never received any more grants to continue her work. That is what happens to honest people who tell the truth while cowards tell lies. Part of an interview with her is in this video »www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NFOnQQM···&search=
I suppose you'll claim she must be mentally ill to say such nasty things about lovely Fluoride. I mean, how could Fluoride be so bad if the Nazis used it in the concentration camps for all the inmates they must have loved so much.
I have selected to no longer receive updates to this forum. None of you have provided any evidence to prove Dr Carley wrong.
Good bye fools. |
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| reply to pduffy4 And it follows from "the government is privately owned" that "vaccines don't work"?
It follows from "speeding tickets are a revenue-raising tool" (which, incidentally, seems likely true to me) that "the government wants to murder everyone"?
You have the magpie mind common to conspiracy buffs: everything is trotted out as proof of everything else. Must be some sort of attention-deficit disorder. I'm not saying it's your fault though, the ADD was surely caused by the vaccines. |
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