UK Government Petition: No Swine Vaccine Page 5

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dave Premium,MVM join:2000-05-04 not in ohio ·Verizon Online DSL ·Verizon FIOS	reply to pduffy4 Re: UK Government Petition: No Swine Vaccine said by pduffy4 : That's all people on here can do, give stupid ignorant comments and AVOIDING the real issues and also offering no proof that I am wrong. No, I'm commenting on you. The subject of this thread is 'vaccines'. For reasons known only to yourself, you support your position on vaccines by posting a video of some guy (a) showing that various government offices have registered companies, and (b) that some laws are intended to make a profit (I summarize drastically, of course). You offered no opinion on why this video had anything at all to do with the vaccine issue. I think we're supposed to leap from "the man in the video showed some company details" to "pduffy is surely right about vaccines", but in order to pass this examination you need to show all working. One might comment on the video, but I'm not inclined to follow you down every twisty little path you take. I want to discuss your opinions of vaccines in the thread that's about your position on vaccines. If you want to talk about UK Govt. (PLC) then by all means start another topic. For example where is the independent evidence that vaccines are safe? What, some evidence that all vaccines are safe? I'm sure it doesn't exist. The issue must be addressed on a vaccine-by-vaccine basis. There is no independent evidence or someone would have posted links. Ahm because no-one posted it, it doesn't exist? I for one didn't even go looking, because discussing it with you would be like debating a dining room table.
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dave Premium,MVM join:2000-05-04 not in ohio ·Verizon Online DSL ·Verizon FIOS 4 edits	reply to pduffy4 said by pduffy4 : The is also the case of Dr Phyllis Mullenix who was asked to do experiments to see what the effect of Fluoride was on rats. Her experiments showed that Fluoride caused Attention Deficit and Hyperactivity Disorder, memory problems and could lower IQ. Wait a minute, there's an IQ test for rats? (How do they make sure it's free of cultural bias?) But I'm pleased to find we're now talking about fluoride. It exerts a strange attraction on conspiracy nuts everywhere. (I'm not talking about the pros and cons of fluoridation, I'm talking about the notion that Fluoride Is An Evil Government Plot and the Nazi Germany linkage). Perhaps you'd like to visit the USA this autumn? You can join in the merry shouting at politicians who are in favour of government-mediated healthcare system. All the cool nuts are doing it. None of you have provided any evidence to prove Dr Carley wrong. 'scuse us? We're still waiting for you to come up with the evidence that proves that you were right. You make some wild assertions about 'weaponized vaccines', and then wriggle your way through videos about speeding fines into the traditonal finale of Nazi Fluoride.
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Pjr join:2005-12-11 UK 2 edits	reply to pduffy4 She must be mentally ill to say such nasty things about lovely fluoride. The Nazis wanted the inmates to have nice and shiny teeth. What's wrong with that? You correctly guessed what I would say so you must be right about everything else. -- It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to the wall.
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jvmorris I Am The Man Who Was Not There. Premium,MVM join:2001-04-03 Reston, VA	reply to Dude111 After a long and winding journey, one of my stepsons dug out the following for me. I think this is likely the basis for much of what's being said here. »www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxeKY-TLmFk&NR=1 . This is from a 60 Minutes episode aired at some time after the 1976 debacle. The most interesting part of the Mike Wallace interview that I've heard to date is that the version of the vaccine that was used in the mass inoculation program is not the version that underwent significant testing! (Interestingly, an observation that I believe the conspiracy theorists have failed to point out.) When this segment finishes, follow the link to Part 2. -- Regards, Joseph V. Morris
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dave Premium,MVM join:2000-05-04 not in ohio ·Verizon Online DSL ·Verizon FIOS	OK, so there was a severe governmental cock-up, lousy QA, a health disaster, followed by a lot of institutional arse-covering. That I find credible. I didn't see anything about weaponised viruses or this being deliberate policy by the overlords to reduce the world population though. Regrettably, our duff new member seems to have quit while he was behind.
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Dude111 An Awesome Dude Premium join:2003-08-04 USA ·Time Warner VOIP	reply to Dude111 said by jvmorris : After a long and winding journey, one of my stepsons dug out the following for me. I think this is likely the basis for much of what's being said here. Yes my friend,that video is all over the net and makes me mad she went thru that!! I hope she continues to try and fight this and gets her $$!! Poor lady...
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dave Premium,MVM join:2000-05-04 not in ohio ·Verizon Online DSL ·Verizon FIOS	I see: it's genuinely regrettable that someone was the victim of a US government screw-up in 1976 w.r.t. voluntary vaccinations, and therefore you'll believe any nutbar that claims the UK government intends to make swine-flu vaccinations compulsory in 2009?
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Dude111 An Awesome Dude Premium join:2003-08-04 USA ·Time Warner VOIP 1 edit	reply to Dude111 Thats what they are trying to do Dave YES.. In Massachusets here in the states,MARSHAL LAW WAS PASSED IN APRIL meaning they can try and force you to take this crap or face consequences!! (TOTAL BS) This may spread to the whole USA which is sad....
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dave Premium,MVM join:2000-05-04 not in ohio ·Verizon Online DSL ·Verizon FIOS 1 edit	MARSHAL LAW WAS PASSED IN APRIL Imagine that; I've been living under martial law for 4 months and didn't know it. "Marital law" was not "passed". What was actually passed was some laws with respect to handling a pandemic in a declared state of emergency. (Two specific quibbles: it's only "martial law" when the military is in charge, and even if this law did permit the military to be in charge during a pandemic, that's not the same as saying that "martial law has been passed" now. You need to be careful how you use words. You get all over-excited when you use them incorrectly). It's "martial law", by the way, not some sort of Wild West thing. "Marshal Wyatt Earp". "Martial Law". Different concepts, different words. And it's not yet law as far as I know. The Senate passed the bill, sending it to the House for approval. Even rabid conspiracy nut Alex Jones does not seem to be reporting that "they can try and force you to take this crap", so you're right, it is total BS to claim that. The only mention I can find of "forcing" anyone to do anything with respect to vaccines in S.18 is that the Commonwealth can compel licensed health-care providers to assist in vaccination and testing. This does not equate to compelling the citizenry to be vaccinated. In fact, there is language specifically saying that vaccination is not compulsory: it provides for quarantining instead. quote: An individual who is unable or unwilling to submit to vaccination or treatment shall not be required to submit to such procedures but may be isolated or quarantined pursuant to section 96 of chapter 111 if his or her refusal poses a serious danger to public health or results in uncertainty whether he or she has been exposed to or is infected with a disease or condition that poses a serious danger to public health, as determined by the commissioner, or a local public health authority operating within its jurisdiction. OK, technically I guess that they may "try and force you" but can not actually "force you". On balance, I am in favour of required quarantine for those who may be infected if the alternative is to have them running around infecting the rest of us. I don't see compulsory quarantine as a step to be taken lightly by any government, but I am willing to grant such power to be used in extremis. This is, after all, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, not the To-Hell-With-Everyone-Else of Massachusetts. You might do better to read the actual bill rather than to rely on what the nutcases are saying. »www.mass.gov/legis/bills/senate/···0018.htm »www.mass.gov/legis/bills/senate/···2028.htm
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Dude111 An Awesome Dude Premium join:2003-08-04 USA ·Time Warner VOIP	reply to Dude111 Massachusetts passes martial law after swine flu $1000/Day Fine & 30 Days Jail For Refusing Vaccine
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dave Premium,MVM join:2000-05-04 not in ohio ·Verizon Online DSL ·Verizon FIOS 4 edits	said by Dude111 : Massachusetts passes martial law after swine flu Just because David Icke's web site says it's martial law doesn't make it true. And, like it actually says at the link you posted, it passed the Senate and had not (at that time) passed the House. Therefore it's not yet MA law. said by Dude111 : $1000/Day Fine & 30 Days Jail For Refusing Vaccine Just because David Icke's web site says something doesn't make it true. I saw no such language in the text of the Senate bill. If you can point out that provision (rather than someone's opinion of what it said), please do so. There is similar wording in 96(e), but that has to do with violation of a compulsory quarantine order. But hey, if you want to let Icke fans tell you what it says, rather than reading what it says, go right ahead. Oh lookie, it's our old friend Mr. Duffy who started that thread. Still, I suppose it's fair enough. The right wing in the US lies about the UK health-care system to bolster their case; it must therefore be ok for Britons to lie about a US state government in support of their agenda. EDITED: I originally ascribed the comments on Icke's web forum to Icke personally. Fixed now.
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dave Premium,MVM join:2000-05-04 not in ohio ·Verizon Online DSL ·Verizon FIOS	reply to Dude111 There's some fabulously original biology at the second link. said by some guy : Education of the populace as to what a virus really is would settle much of the rhetoric bantered about today. Viruses are solvents manufactured by the body to cleanse it of toxins. said by same guy : Viruses are not transmitted by sneezing, coughing or shaking hands (unless you sneeze or cough directly in someone's mouth or they let you spit on their hand and then wipe their eyes or mouth with that same hand - I doubt anyone does these actions).
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Dude111 An Awesome Dude Premium join:2003-08-04 USA ·Time Warner VOIP 1 edit	reply to Dude111 WHO Admits to Releasing Pandemic Virus into Population via 'Mock-Up' Vaccines The document on the WHO website linked below states that it is common procedure to release pandemic viruses into the population in order to get a jump ahead of the real pandemic, so as to fast track the vaccine for when it is needed. In Europe, some manufacturers have conducted advance studies using a so-called "mock-up" vaccine. Mock-up vaccines contain an active ingredient for an influenza virus that has not circulated recently in human populations and thus mimics the novelty of a pandemic virus. According to the website, “Such advance studies can greatly expedite regulatory approval.” Sources: World Health Organization More on this.. On June 11 the World Health Organization (WHO) raised its swine flu pandemic alert from a 5 to a 6. Phase 6 is the highest level alert, and reflects the speed with which a virus is spreading -- not its severity. This classification also allows for a vaccine to qualify for a “fast-track” procedure for licensing and approval, and this process is now ongoing for the swine flu vaccine. What you may not know, however, is that WHO, together with health officials, regulatory authorities and vaccine manufacturers, have been working since 2007 – long before this new “threat” of swine flu emerged – to “explore a broad range of issues surrounding the regulatory approval of pandemic vaccines.” According to the WHO website: “Ways were sought to shorten the time between the emergence of a pandemic virus and the availability of safe and effective vaccines.” One such method used in Europe is to conduct advance studies using a “mock-up” vaccine that contains an active ingredient for an influenza virus that has not circulated recently in human populations. When testing these mock-up vaccines, it is very possible to release the novel influenza virus into the population, as its purpose is to “mimic the novelty of a pandemic virus” and “greatly expedite regulatory approval.” Government officials have other tricks up their sleeves to ensure these new, barely tested vaccines easily make it to market as well, such as: * Labeling the vaccine a “strain change” rather than an entirely “new” vaccine. This method states the new vaccine has built on technology used to produce vaccines for seasonal influenza, and the change for the pandemic vaccine is similar to a strain change used to produce a new seasonal vaccine each flu season. In the United States, vaccine manufacturers are required to submit fewer data if they already have a licensed flu vaccine and will use the same manufacturing process for the pandemic vaccine. * Using a “rolling review procedure.” This allows manufacturers to submit sets of data for regulatory review “as they become available.” In other words, they’re free to distribute the vaccine and then submit the safety data later on.
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dave Premium,MVM join:2000-05-04 not in ohio ·Verizon Online DSL ·Verizon FIOS	I don't find these words on any WHO web site: quote: When testing these mock-up vaccines, it is very possible to release the novel influenza virus into the population, as its purpose is to “mimic the novelty of a pandemic virus” and “greatly expedite regulatory approval.” The preceding words were WHO's: quote: One such method used in Europe is to conduct advance studies using a “mock-up” vaccine that contains an active ingredient for an influenza virus that has not circulated recently in human populations. I suppose that the people you quote, presumably from madman Icke's web site, mix actual WHO quotes with other commentary, either because they intend to confuse matters or because they don't know the difference, I can't be sure which. The whole thing you posted seems to have been cut'n'pasted all over the web, but repetition doesn't make it any more true. By the way, have you abandoned the attempt to tell me I'm already living under martial law? That seems to be a common conspiracy-nut feature: when confronted with contrary evidence, change the subject.
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Dude111 An Awesome Dude Premium join:2003-08-04 USA ·Time Warner VOIP 2 edits	reply to Dude111 Its time to WAKE UP dave..... Im not going to waste my time trying with someone who refuses to look OUTSIDE THE BOX and only believe what MAINSTREAM sources tell you..... Yes i got the article from the DI site (Although i had to find the link for the article on my own (They didnt supply it))
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dave Premium,MVM join:2000-05-04 not in ohio ·Verizon Online DSL ·Verizon FIOS 1 edit	Not at all; it's just that I only listen to people who can construct a coherent argument and write it down in English sentences. Not to mention understand what they read. It is simply a lie that the pending MA S.18 bill provides for a thousand-dollar fine for refusing vaccination, and yet you freely quote from places that claim that's exactly what it says. It is simply asinine to claim that the body 'manufactures' viruses to 'cleanse it' of toxins. There's simply no arguing with idiots like that. Show me the words in MA S.18 that provide for that penalty. Show me a peer-reviewed article by a biologist propounding that theory of viral life. This is not a refusal to think outside the box; it is a refusal to go along with someone else's insanity. (Edit: fixed 1-character typo)
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Dude111 An Awesome Dude Premium join:2003-08-04 USA	reply to Dude111 Re: UK Government Petition: No Swine Vaccine Well maybe they havent started it yet but they can now that the bill was pa$$ed bud!
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dave Premium,MVM join:2000-05-04 not in ohio ·Verizon Online DSL ·Verizon FIOS	said by Dude111 : Well maybe they havent started it yet but they can now that the bill was pa$$ed bud! You do understand how laws are made, right? This is not yet MA law (though I'd agree it probably will be). "Passed by the senate" does not make it law. I'm not sure what you mean by "started it", but I'd guess you're referring to compulsory vaccination, and the bill does not have any such component. Once again. I challenge you to show the wording that says it does. I suspect your sources have simply failed to comprehend Section 14. Btw, S.18 has been amended and is now S.2028. »www.mass.gov/legis/bills/senate/···2028.htm
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Dude111 An Awesome Dude Premium join:2003-08-04 USA ·Time Warner VOIP	reply to Dude111 Latest articles »www.theflucase.com # Austrian police chief investigating Baxter forced to resign # Pfizer pleads guilty to felony crime and fraudulent marketing, has to pay 2.3 billion in fines # WHO Admits to Releasing Pandemic Virus into Population via 'Mock-Up' Vaccines # Criminal charges to be filed against French Minister of Health and Interior of secret mass vaccination document # EMERGENCY UPDATE: Maine under martial law: Governor proclaims civil emergency over "swine flu" pandemic. WHO and Rockefeller takes charge # CDC H1N1 forced qurantine docs leak # Taxpayers fund bumper pharma "swine flu" profits # Is Baxter preparing to put nano chips into the "swine flu" jab? # French doctor calls for resistance to the "Beast" of forced "swine flu" vaccinations # Novartis produces one-shot toxic "swine flu" jab # Immunocontraceptive hidden in the flu vaccine # Quebec moves under military rule of WHO # European medicines agency admits "swine flu" vaccination is a huge biological experiment
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poacher 1rtd Premium join:2004-02-25 oxford UK	reply to Dude111 Re: UK Government Petition: No Swine Vaccine Refusing a WHO-mandated vaccination has been criminalized under provisions related to public health emergencies. Police can use deadly force against "criminal suspects," that means, they can take you to prison or even shoot you if you refuse. »www.theflucase.com/index.php?opt···&lang=en People who believe this must live in dreamland, nobody here is being forced into anything, it`s my choice if I have the vaccination. -- If you resolve to give up smoking, drinking and loving, you don't actually live longer; it just seems longer” Clement Freud
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