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Aurora, ME | copper and fiber? So Verizon brings Fios to your neighborhood. you decide not to get it. Verizon will still provide a copper loop, Dial tone, DSL?
What a nightmare, maintaining two outside plants in the same area. I feel bad for the Verizon techs...(no not really) 
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| said by mrkevin:So Verizon brings Fios to your neighborhood. you decide not to get it. Verizon will still provide a copper loop, Dial tone, DSL? What a nightmare, maintaining two outside plants in the same area. I feel bad for the Verizon techs...(no not really) That is a significant problem you have pointed out. Maintaining dual access(copper & fiber) in most neighborhoods is an unneeded extra cost. I would suspect at some point that Verizon will ask the FCC & the state PUCs for permission to terminate all copper plant in Fios covered areas. And wait till the screaming starts then!!!
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FiOS has been available on my street for 2 years now. My neighbor called about DSL because he was trying to save money (at the time they had a very low price promo for DSL) VZ would not sell to him, they only offered FiOS service. |
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I agree. it is only a matter of time before the copper phone lines will be removed from the poles. I wouldn't be surprised if they are forced to do a hack job doing a fiber+powerold copper line at the pole to appease a very small small minority. |
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mrkevinKnowledge comes, but wisdom lingers.Premium
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Aurora, ME | reply to fAcEtIOUs
said by fAcEtIOUs:said by mrkevin:So Verizon brings Fios to your neighborhood. you decide not to get it. Verizon will still provide a copper loop, Dial tone, DSL? What a nightmare, maintaining two outside plants in the same area. I feel bad for the Verizon techs...(no not really) That is a significant problem you have pointed out. Maintaining dual access(copper & fiber) in most neighborhoods is an unneeded extra cost. I would suspect at some point that Verizon will ask the FCC & the state PUCs for permission to terminate all copper plant in Fios covered areas. And wait till the screaming starts then!!! Doesn't Verizon own the plant? can't they just say "hey we're done with the copper, if you want service from us, we will provide DT but through the fiber"
as long as you are getting the same service what does it matter how it's delivered?
the people screaming probably miss:
milkmen
Ice boxes
black and white TV
VCR's
vinal records
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I would think the state PSC's would give a big no to that. Going to all fiber would lock out what few CLEC's are left and noone in government wants that. |
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Aurora, ME | said by FloridaBoy:I would think the state PSC's would give a big no to that. Going to all fiber would lock out what few CLEC's are left and noone in government wants that. I never thought the CLEC angle...
couldn't they just "abandon" it to the CLEC.?
Don't most CLEC's co-locate their equipment?
So a CLEC could stymie a whole area from going fiber just because they didn't want to upgrade (cost, other)?
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Aurora, ME | reply to vinnie97
said by vinnie97:vinyl records are still a joy to use, even in the underground nightclub DJ circuits (and were still in use regularly up until this decade...with use only leveling off now thanks to the digital revolution). Yah, you're right. But you can't buy them at Walmart.
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said by mrkevin:So Verizon brings Fios to your neighborhood. you decide not to get it. Verizon will still provide a copper loop, Dial tone, DSL? What a nightmare, maintaining two outside plants in the same area. I feel bad for the Verizon techs...(no not really) The Union loooovess Copper and Fiber plants in the same place!!!! |
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Mrkevin,
Co-locating is a little out of my realm. I am sure we have guys here who can comment on that.
As for abandoning it to a CLEC, I can think of a couple of reasons they would not be able to do this.
First, since the CLEC uses Verizon techs to "fix" any problems, I cant imagine any CLEC suddenly wanting to hire a work force to take care of copper plant that is just going to bleeed customers anyway.
Second, think of the how much copper is in the ground. If you were Verizon, would you give up tons of copper that could still be financially valuable if you get a chance to pull it up out of the ground and sell it on a metal market?? Nope, I just cant see them doing that for the CLEC's. |
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Aurora, ME | First, since the CLEC uses Verizon techs to "fix" any problems, I cant imagine any CLEC suddenly wanting to hire a work force to take care of copper plant
Does the CLEC share in the maintenance costs? If so, there are companies out there that do contract utility maintenance.
Second, think of the how much copper is in the ground. If you were Verizon, would you give up tons of copper that could still be financially valuable if you get a chance to pull it up out of the ground and sell it on a metal market?? Nope, I just cant see them doing that for the CLEC's.
I'm just saying if the Public Services Commission wouldn't let them pull it out.
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kudos:2 | reply to FloridaBoy
said by FloridaBoy:First, since the CLEC uses Verizon techs to "fix" any problems, I cant imagine any CLEC suddenly wanting to hire a work force to take care of copper plant that is just going to bleeed customers anyway. Gee, of course a competitor doesn't want to hire a workforce. Therein lies a problem with the CLECs. If they'd started building out their infrastructure, we might not have some of the competitive issues that people complain about today.said by FloridaBoy:Second, think of the how much copper is in the ground. If you were Verizon, would you give up tons of copper that could still be financially valuable if you get a chance to pull it up out of the ground and sell it on a metal market?? Copper is on its way back up, but it's still not where it was a couple of years ago. Abandoning the copper in place is probably more profitable to VZ right now considering the current copper prices. |
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VZ will not sell DSL *at all* in any area where FIOS is available (however, they *will* sell FIOS bundles of broadband and phone, broadband and TV, or all three, with or without wireless; DSLExtreme will sell dry-loop FIOS). Also, where FIOS is being deployed, it can (and does) obviate the need for VZ to sell any form of xDSL (especially in areas where it has never sold it, or had low sales of same). The real problem for VZ's techs is the certainty of copper Going Away. If you aren't willing to learn fiber, your career advancement path is going to come to a rather abrupt halt. |
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Thank goodness. |
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