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Re: copper and fiber? said by mrkevin:So Verizon brings Fios to your neighborhood. you decide not to get it. Verizon will still provide a copper loop, Dial tone, DSL? What a nightmare, maintaining two outside plants in the same area. I feel bad for the Verizon techs...(no not really)  That is a significant problem you have pointed out. Maintaining dual access(copper & fiber) in most neighborhoods is an unneeded extra cost. I would suspect at some point that Verizon will ask the FCC & the state PUCs for permission to terminate all copper plant in Fios covered areas. And wait till the screaming starts then!!!
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said by fAcEtIOUs:said by mrkevin:So Verizon brings Fios to your neighborhood. you decide not to get it. Verizon will still provide a copper loop, Dial tone, DSL? What a nightmare, maintaining two outside plants in the same area. I feel bad for the Verizon techs...(no not really) That is a significant problem you have pointed out. Maintaining dual access(copper & fiber) in most neighborhoods is an unneeded extra cost. I would suspect at some point that Verizon will ask the FCC & the state PUCs for permission to terminate all copper plant in Fios covered areas. And wait till the screaming starts then!!! Doesn't Verizon own the plant? can't they just say "hey we're done with the copper, if you want service from us, we will provide DT but through the fiber"
as long as you are getting the same service what does it matter how it's delivered?
the people screaming probably miss:
milkmen
Ice boxes
black and white TV
VCR's
vinal records
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I would think the state PSC's would give a big no to that. Going to all fiber would lock out what few CLEC's are left and noone in government wants that. |
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Aurora, ME | said by FloridaBoy:I would think the state PSC's would give a big no to that. Going to all fiber would lock out what few CLEC's are left and noone in government wants that. I never thought the CLEC angle...
couldn't they just "abandon" it to the CLEC.?
Don't most CLEC's co-locate their equipment?
So a CLEC could stymie a whole area from going fiber just because they didn't want to upgrade (cost, other)?
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Aurora, ME | reply to vinnie97
said by vinnie97:vinyl records are still a joy to use, even in the underground nightclub DJ circuits (and were still in use regularly up until this decade...with use only leveling off now thanks to the digital revolution). Yah, you're right. But you can't buy them at Walmart.
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Mrkevin,
Co-locating is a little out of my realm. I am sure we have guys here who can comment on that.
As for abandoning it to a CLEC, I can think of a couple of reasons they would not be able to do this.
First, since the CLEC uses Verizon techs to "fix" any problems, I cant imagine any CLEC suddenly wanting to hire a work force to take care of copper plant that is just going to bleeed customers anyway.
Second, think of the how much copper is in the ground. If you were Verizon, would you give up tons of copper that could still be financially valuable if you get a chance to pull it up out of the ground and sell it on a metal market?? Nope, I just cant see them doing that for the CLEC's. |
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Aurora, ME | First, since the CLEC uses Verizon techs to "fix" any problems, I cant imagine any CLEC suddenly wanting to hire a work force to take care of copper plant
Does the CLEC share in the maintenance costs? If so, there are companies out there that do contract utility maintenance.
Second, think of the how much copper is in the ground. If you were Verizon, would you give up tons of copper that could still be financially valuable if you get a chance to pull it up out of the ground and sell it on a metal market?? Nope, I just cant see them doing that for the CLEC's.
I'm just saying if the Public Services Commission wouldn't let them pull it out.
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said by FloridaBoy:First, since the CLEC uses Verizon techs to "fix" any problems, I cant imagine any CLEC suddenly wanting to hire a work force to take care of copper plant that is just going to bleeed customers anyway. Gee, of course a competitor doesn't want to hire a workforce. Therein lies a problem with the CLECs. If they'd started building out their infrastructure, we might not have some of the competitive issues that people complain about today.said by FloridaBoy:Second, think of the how much copper is in the ground. If you were Verizon, would you give up tons of copper that could still be financially valuable if you get a chance to pull it up out of the ground and sell it on a metal market?? Copper is on its way back up, but it's still not where it was a couple of years ago. Abandoning the copper in place is probably more profitable to VZ right now considering the current copper prices. |
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Thank goodness. |
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