BPremium,MVM
join:2000-10-28 | reply to PX Eliezer
Re: netTalk tk6000 Nah! Even 30 years ago that would have been a stupid, unrealistic, and excessively obscure rule. I suspect it was made up by patronizing grammarians with too much time on their hands.
Everyone can "remember" how to "keep this pair straight" by... knowing what the damn words mean! Their meanings aren't even close to one another, so mistaking one for the other should be no more likely than mistaking "brake" for "break" or "past" for "passed". In other words, if you're that stupid or careless there's no hope. 
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1 edit | said by B:Nah! Even 30 years ago that would have been a stupid, unrealistic, and excessively obscure rule. I suspect it was made up by patronizing grammarians with too much time on their hands. Everyone can "remember" how to "keep this pair straight" by... knowing what the damn words mean! I respectfully disagree.
As I said, we all make errors in daily usage, but to see basic errors in legal documents, and in articles in major newspapers, is indicative of the slow death of the language.
This carelessness has already resulted in loss of the rather different meanings of "infer" and "imply".
The process is currently occurring with regard to "wary" and "weary".
Language evolves. Telefacsimile became telefax and then simply fax. (Moderator: That's our VoIP connection )
However, in that case, there was no loss of precision or clarity.
I agree with the following comment which was recently posted on a site (not "sight") related to education in Ireland:
"...Sometimes I cringe when I see that the best paid teachers in Europe write "to" when they mean "too"; "their" when they mean "there" and vice versa; "click" when they mean "clique" and so on.
To me, that doesn't seem like someone's typing in a hurry and doesn't bother dotting the i's and crossing the t's. That seems like many teachers don't know the difference, and that's both worrying and embarrassing..." |
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BPremium,MVM
join:2000-10-28 | Err, ironically for two people patting their own backs for being precise with language, I'm not sure where we disagree.
I'm not contradicting anything you've said. My only issue was with the rather ponderous and questionable "substitute main or rule" technique of trying to keep straight the distinction between the words "principal" and "principle".
I'm saying the right way to honor that distinction isn't by memorizing silly mnemonics, but by memorizing the meaning of the words one is choosing to use...
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In too many VoIP companies, the principals have no principles. |
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BPremium,MVM
join:2000-10-28 | ....and we're done here!
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said by Stewart:In too many VoIP companies, the principals have no principles. I am wary of them and weary of their shills. Please do not infer that I am implying anything derogatory about the majority of vosps. |
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said by B:I'm saying the right way to honor that distinction isn't by memorizing silly mnemonics, but by memorizing the meaning of the words one is choosing to use... -- B Agreed.
Well said. |
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said by Stewart:In too many VoIP companies, the principals have no principles. said by Pascagoula :
I am wary of them and weary of their shills. Please do not infer that I am implying anything derogatory about the majority of vosps.
Gosh I love you guys. |
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newpup
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Charlotte, NC | said by PX Eliezer:said by Stewart:In too many VoIP companies, the principals have no principles. said by Pascagoula :
I am wary of them and weary of their shills. Please do not infer that I am implying anything derogatory about the majority of vosps.
Gosh I love you guys. have any of you knuckle heads tried the product. I have and I have no complaints. I researched the company and I can tell you they have nothing to do with MJ/YMAX. You people belong on craigslist where you can play spell check police instead of on a technology blog. |
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BPremium,MVM
join:2000-10-28 | said by newpup:have any of you knuckle heads tried the product. I have and I have no complaints. I researched the company and I can tell you they have nothing to do with MJ/YMAX. You people belong on craigslist where you can play spell check police instead of on a technology blog. Really? And you just registered to say that?
By the way, how did you come across a service that's existed for just over a month? And how did you research them, and what did you find? Perhaps you can provide a mini-review since you're the only one here who's used it.
I think it's always a bad sign when a company hides behind "private registration" for their own domain name:
Registrant:
Nettalk.com, Inc
ATTN: TK6000.COM
c/o Network Solutions
P.O. Box 447
Herndon, VA20172-0447
Domain Name: TK6000.COM
Administrative Contact :
Nettalk.com, Inc
gx6xq7hk7vt@networksolutionsprivateregistration.com
ATTN: TK6000.COM
c/o Network Solutions
P.O. Box 447
Herndon, VA20172-0447
Phone: 570-708-8780
Technical Contact :
Nettalk.com, Inc
gx6xq7hk7vt@networksolutionsprivateregistration.com
ATTN: TK6000.COM
c/o Network Solutions
P.O. Box 447
Herndon, VA20172-0447
Phone: 570-708-8780
Record expires on 10-Dec-2011
Record created on 17-Jun-2009
Database last updated on 17-Jun-2009
Domain servers in listed order: Manage DNS
NS1.ASSEENONTVNETWORK.NET 69.5.65.11
NS2.ASSEENONTVNETWORK.NET
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said by newpup:have any of you knuckle heads tried the product. I have and I have no complaints. I researched the company and I can tell you they have nothing to do with MJ/YMAX. You people belong on craigslist where you can play spell check police instead of on a technology blog. In addition, if you read all the posts in this thread, you will see that the particular discussions about [principle vs. principal] and [weary vs. wary] related to the proper use of the English language.
When Stewart said "In too many VoIP companies, the principals have no principles" he was demonstrating the proper usage of those two words in a very clever and humorous way. My understanding is that he was not speaking about your friends at all.
When plunging into a forum as a newcomer, it is important to understand the milieu and the atmosphere.
To make an analogy to different types of church services---
This is not a forum where we quietly sit and listen to organ music.
Rather, it is a forum where we jump, dance, sing, shout, and smile.
As you said, maybe we are knuckleheads. Maybe you'd be happier with the peace and quiet (and boredom) over at Voxilla.
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PS: I am curious as well how you "researched" this company, especially when you scoff at us for trying to do the same thing. |
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Charlotte, NC | said by PX Eliezer:said by newpup:have any of you knuckle heads tried the product. I have and I have no complaints. I researched the company and I can tell you they have nothing to do with MJ/YMAX. You people belong on craigslist where you can play spell check police instead of on a technology blog. In addition, if you read all the posts in this thread, you will see that the particular discussions about [principle vs. principal] and [weary vs. wary] related to the proper use of the English language. When Stewart said "In too many VoIP companies, the principals have no principles" he was demonstrating the proper usage of those two words in a very clever and humorous way. My understanding is that he was not speaking about your friends at all. When plunging into a forum as a newcomer, it is important to understand the milieu and the atmosphere. To make an analogy to different types of church services--- This is not a forum where we quietly sit and listen to organ music. Rather, it is a forum where we jump, dance, sing, shout, and smile. As you said, maybe we are knuckleheads. Maybe you'd be happier over with the peace and quiet (and boredom) over at Voxilla. ---------------------- PS: I am curious as well how you "researched" this company, especially when you scoff at us for trying to do the same thing.
it is my job to research new technology companies, evaluate their product and see how they are fairing on the blogs.
it annoys me when people get on a tangent about spelling, make unqualified assumptions without ever trying the product. If someone purchases a new product and provides a firsthand account of their experience (good or bad) then I have no issues. But when chuckle heads start postulating and flaming just to make themselves feel better than I do have an issue.
Research is more than performing searches on Google. |
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Mechanicsville, VA | reply to newpup
said by newpup:have any of you knuckle heads tried the product. I have and I have no complaints. I researched the company and I can tell you they have nothing to do with MJ/YMAX. You people belong on craigslist where you can play spell check police instead of on a technology blog. I think you need to go back to the dictionary and get your terms straight before you start bashing people. Last time I checked, this was NOT a blog. |
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said by newpup:it is my job to research new technology companies, evaluate their product and see how they are fairing on the blogs. So then you are not a consumer like the rest of us? You are paid by someone? And are you paid to be a neutral observer or to push the product?
If you are supposed to be neutral, then don't post here.
If you are paid to push a product, then please disclose it.
said by newpup:it annoys me when people get on a tangent about spelling, make unqualified assumptions without ever trying the product. If someone purchases a new product and provides a firsthand account of their experience (good or bad) then I have no issues. But when chuckle heads start postulating and flaming just to make themselves feel better than I do have an issue. I am annoyed at your annoyance.
Moreover, no one here has been flaming except you.
By the way, the word is "faring". Sorry, I am a knucklehead.
said by newpup:Research is more than performing searches on Google. Indeed. So we would all benefit from any additional information that you can provide. |
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newpup
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Charlotte, NC | said by PX Eliezer:said by newpup:it is my job to research new technology companies, evaluate their product and see how they are fairing on the blogs. So then you are not a consumer like the rest of us? You are paid by someone? And are you paid to be a neutral observer or to push the product? If you are supposed to be neutral, then don't post here. If you are paid to push a product, then please disclose it. said by newpup:it annoys me when people get on a tangent about spelling, make unqualified assumptions without ever trying the product. If someone purchases a new product and provides a firsthand account of their experience (good or bad) then I have no issues. But when chuckle heads start postulating and flaming just to make themselves feel better than I do have an issue. I am annoyed at your annoyance. Moreover, no one here has been flaming except you. By the way, the word is "faring". Sorry, I am a knucklehead. said by newpup:Research is more than performing searches on Google. Indeed. So we would all benefit from any additional information that you can provide. I am just a consumer like anyone else. Not paid. Non-profit consumer rights group. I am not plugging this product just stating I have had a good experience with it and others like it. |
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said by newpup:have any of you knuckle heads tried the product. I have and I have no complaints. I researched the company and I can tell you they have nothing to do with MJ/YMAX. You people belong on craigslist where you can play spell check police instead of on a technology blog. I wasn't slamming you or nettalk. My comments were meant as a joke along the off-topic line the thread had taken.
If nettalk turns out to sound decent and be reliable, it should be a winner. |
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BPremium,MVM
join:2000-10-28 | reply to newpup
said by newpup:I am just a consumer like anyone else. Not paid. Non-profit consumer rights group. I am not plugging this product just stating I have had a good experience with it and others like it. You're not paid, but it's your "job to research new technology companies, evaluate their product and see how they are fairing on the blogs" ?? So you work for free?
You're not being honest, and you're specifically refusing to answer our requests that you provide more detail about your "good experience" with this new product, so that we can add some more meat to this discussion.
Saying "but it's good!" doesn't contribute anything.
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Nettalk has a forum: »forum.nettalk.com/
Maybe some of you skeptics can go over there and confront them with the evidence for your suspicions:
Unregistered domain
Located in Miami
Possible contamination from magicjack
'Two Big Scam Red Flags'
Possible shill in the dslreports forum
Be sure to tell them you think nettalk is a Ponzi scheme because you do not believe $100 can buy 3 year's of service. |
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said by newpup:... it is my job to research new technology companies, evaluate their product and see how they are fairing on the blogs.... Research is more than performing searches on Google. Wow, are you off base with your comments, newpup! Your are dealing with folks in this Forum (not a blog) many of whom have been members for years ... and have explored and researched and discussed all of the facets of VoIP and associated telecommunications technologies. These Forums include many executives and top technical people who own and operate some of the well known VoIP companies. We have learned from them and they have learned from us.
We (and our moderators who "police" these threads) have been able to confirm the sincerity of some posters and we can ferret out those who try to mislead and deceive.
newpup, your initial post in this thread was reasonable. Your subsequent overreaction to rather legitimate information that was brought out about this never before referenced provider was at first defensive (usually a tip-off of things to come) ... and your follow-up comments certainly reminded me of two quotations from Hamlet:
• The (lady) doth protest too much, methinks!
• Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
Are you from Copenhagen, perchance? |
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BPremium,MVM
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You mess with DSLR's awesome PageRank, you get the horns.
This thread is currently the first, fourth, and sixth Google hit for "nettalk tk6000" (without quotes).
Mission accomplished?
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