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kudos:3 | It's Apple's Store. Blame Apple Why would you even speculate that AT&T has anything to do with this? If Apple removed it from their store, then Apple is responsible for that decision. Whether or not AT&T has any influence in the process is a moot point because the buck stops with the Apple.
Place responsibility where responsibility is due.
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said by yock:Why would you even speculate that AT&T has anything to do with this? If Apple removed it from their store, then Apple is responsible for that decision. Whether or not AT&T has any influence in the process is a moot point because the buck stops with the Apple. Place responsibility where responsibility is due. Agree. It's the Apple App Store, not the AT&T App Store. This leaves Google in the position if they want this application on iPhones or iPod Touches to instruct users about jailbreaking. That I don't see happening since they're trying to have Google Voice appeal to the masses. |
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Morganton, NC | reply to yock
You are very naive if you really believe AT&T has nothing to do with this, They have everything to do with it. As long as this is an exclusive AT&T phone, they have more input into what is in the iPhone store than Apple does.
That will probably continue when Verizon gets the phone too, because there will probably be separate stores for each carrier, and they will determine which apps their customers can have.
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said by yock:Why would you even speculate that AT&T has anything to do with this? If Apple removed it from their store, then Apple is responsible for that decision. Whether or not AT&T has any influence in the process is a moot point because the buck stops with the Apple. Place responsibility where responsibility is due. Thank you, someone else also sees the light. Apple owns the app store. If AT&T came up to them and said "hey remove this app", Apple has every right to say "shove it where the sun don't shine". But, Apple doesn't do that (think slingbox and skype). But, if AT&T actually had a say in this? Who knows. |
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| said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:said by yock:Why would you even speculate that AT&T has anything to do with this? If Apple removed it from their store, then Apple is responsible for that decision. Whether or not AT&T has any influence in the process is a moot point because the buck stops with the Apple. Place responsibility where responsibility is due. Thank you, someone else also sees the light. Apple owns the app store. If AT&T came up to them and said "hey remove this app", Apple has every right to say "shove it where the sun don't shine". But, Apple doesn't do that (think slingbox and skype). But, if AT&T actually had a say in this? Who knows. Ever hear of CONTRACTS? AT&T and Apple signed one. We don't know what is in that contract. But I'd bet a lot of money there are terms in there that lets AT&T have a veto over certain types of apps. So Apple, as you say can't tell AT&T to "shove it where the sun don't shine".
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| That's Apple's fault, then, for agreeing to those contract terms. Sorry, they can't wiggle out of responsibility for this. I guess they're not so "pro-consumer" after all. |
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| said by puck0114: I guess they're not so "pro-consumer" after all. They never were. That is just the excellent PR dept they have fooling everyone for years.
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| Agreed. I've never bought into the Apple hype. Their stuff is pretty, but way overpriced for the functionality it delivers. They do have superb marketing, though. |
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yockTFTCPremium
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kudos:3 | reply to jtudor
said by jtudor:You are very naive if you really believe AT&T has nothing to do with this, They have everything to do with it. You misunderstand. It isn't that I don't think AT&T influenced the decision, it's that I just don't care. It's Apple's app store, therefore it's Apple's decision.
There has been no shortage of recent news items on this very website that demonstrate Apple's effective authority over AT&T with regards to their exclusivity agreement. In light of that opinion, to turn around and claim what this article claims is preposterous.
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yockTFTCPremium
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kudos:3 | reply to fAcEtIOUs
said by fAcEtIOUs:Ever hear of CONTRACTS? AT&T and Apple signed one. We don't know what is in that contract. But I'd bet a lot of money there are terms in there that lets AT&T have a veto over certain types of apps. So Apple, as you say can't tell AT&T to "shove it where the sun don't shine". That's possible, but I'm not a fan of such conjecture. Until better evidence is presented, the best we have to go on is that Apple owns the app store. Shifting blame based on speculation isn't rational.
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said by jtudor:You are very naive if you really believe AT&T has nothing to do with this, They have everything to do with it. As long as this is an exclusive AT&T phone, they have more input into what is in the iPhone store than Apple does. That will probably continue when Verizon gets the phone too, because there will probably be separate stores for each carrier, and they will determine which apps their customers can have. Google's idea of web-apps will thrive under these conditions.
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ddaPremium
join:2003-12-29
Bolton, MA | reply to yock
said by yock:You misunderstand. It isn't that I don't think AT&T influenced the decision, it's that I just don't care. It's Apple's app store, therefore it's Apple's decision Your failure to care doesn't change reality; if you admit AT&T influenced the decision then you cannot solely blame Apple.
Until we know the terms of the contact between AT&T and Apple, anything is basically speculation. |
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yockTFTCPremium
join:2000-11-21
Miamisburg, OH
kudos:3 | I didn't fail to care, I just don't. Really, it's that simple.
Apple is solely responsible for the decisions that affect the app store. If they made agreements with AT&T that have peripheral implications for that app store, that's Apple's fault, not AT&T. It was entirely within Apple's power to plan for such a possibility.
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Here's your evidence that is was AT&T that crippled the App Store the last time this happened: »www.engadget.com/2009/05/12/atan···out-for/
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yockTFTCPremium
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kudos:3 | And I will wait for similar evidence to surface for this instance.
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yockTFTCPremium
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kudos:3 | reply to sonicmerlin
said by sonicmerlin:If you don't care then why are you commenting? I think you threw this out there to sound clever, instead it sounds like you haven't read the thread.
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