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Re: ha! So your reason that FiOS is nothing special is because your PS3 doesnt download any faster? And you add that it has a gigabit port? So what....
PS3 downloads are slow for everyone I know. Before you talk down about a service, learn what you are talking about. |
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 wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | said by way2evil:So your reason that FiOS is nothing special is because your PS3 doesnt download any faster? And you add that it has a gigabit port? So what.... PS3 downloads are slow for everyone I know. Before you talk down about a service, learn what you are talking about. I never said the PS3 was the only reason I thought FIOS wasnt special. The internet experience is no different for any of the things I do (as compared to TWC). I switched to save money, and now they are trying to change the terms of what they gave me. As for the gigabit port on my PS3, do you know what that means? Perhaps you should learn why that is significant before you try and refute my claim.
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kudos:1 | said by wifi4milez:said by way2evil:So your reason that FiOS is nothing special is because your PS3 doesnt download any faster? And you add that it has a gigabit port? So what.... PS3 downloads are slow for everyone I know. Before you talk down about a service, learn what you are talking about. I never said the PS3 was the only reason I thought FIOS wasnt special. The internet experience is no different for any of the things I do (as compared to TWC). I switched to save money, and now they are trying to change the terms of what they gave me. As for the gigabit port on my PS3, do you know what that means? Perhaps you should learn why that is significant before you try and refute my claim. Please explain how a gigabit port on your PS3 helps you at all. You have a 20/5 connection. No where close to gigabit. |
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | said by way2evil:said by wifi4milez:said by way2evil:So your reason that FiOS is nothing special is because your PS3 doesnt download any faster? And you add that it has a gigabit port? So what.... PS3 downloads are slow for everyone I know. Before you talk down about a service, learn what you are talking about. I never said the PS3 was the only reason I thought FIOS wasnt special. The internet experience is no different for any of the things I do (as compared to TWC). I switched to save money, and now they are trying to change the terms of what they gave me. As for the gigabit port on my PS3, do you know what that means? Perhaps you should learn why that is significant before you try and refute my claim. Please explain how a gigabit port on your PS3 helps you at all. You have a 20/5 connection. No where close to gigabit. Thats a great question, and I am happy to teach you about this. Most consumer grade routers (Linksys, etc.) have 10/100 ports on them. HOWEVER, they cant really handle throughput of much more than 10Mbps without crapping out. This is part of the reason that Verizon supplies the hardware they do (also it is required for TV listings) with their internet service. Most people simply use the VZ provided router, however there are a lot of us who want our network on our own gear (I am assuming you are not one of them or you would know about this problem). Since the PS3 has a gigabit port, that means it is hardware capable of handling high bandwidth connections. Therefore, plugging a PS3 directly into the VZ router, or plugging it into a suitable device behind the VZ router, is a direct connection between two high bandwidth supporting devices. As such, that is the best possible scenario when connecting two devices and should provide the best connection.
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kudos:1 | said by wifi4milez:Thats a great question, and I am happy to teach you about this. Most consumer grade routers (Linksys, etc.) have 10/100 ports on them. HOWEVER, they cant really handle throughput of much more than 10Mbps without crapping out. This is part of the reason that Verizon supplies the hardware they do (also it is required for TV listings) with their internet service. Most people simply use the VZ provided router, however there are a lot of us who want our network on our own gear (I am assuming you are not one of them or you would know about this problem). Since the PS3 has a gigabit port, that means it is hardware capable of handling high bandwidth connections. Therefore, plugging a PS3 directly into the VZ router, or plugging it into a suitable device behind the VZ router, is a direct connection between two high bandwidth supporting devices. As such, that is the best possible scenario when connecting two devices and should provide the best connection. Once again please teach me how a 100mbit port differs from a gigabit port when you can only max out at 20mbits (not transferring within your LAN).
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | said by way2evil:Once again please teach me how a 100mbit port differs from a gigabit port when you can only max out at 20mbits (not transferring within your LAN). I just explained it to you. Almost every soho router has 10/100 ports on it, however much of the hardware cant handle anywhere near that throughput. Dont take my word for it, do some research right here on this site. An example would be that even with 3rd party firmware, a Linksys router falls far short of being able to reach its 100Mbps port speed.
said by bobTeatow (writing the DSLR Verizon Online FIOS FAQ) :
Some routers may not be able to support FiOS' higher speeds. For example, some users have discovered a 16-17 Mbps limit with the Linksys WRT54G using third party firmware. The rest of the FAQ is available here »Verizon Online FiOS FAQ »What are the tradeoffs between the various router configurations
Make sense?
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | said by Aidens Daddy:That limit is based on the bus that the network interface is connected to. The actually bus/chipset/processor/storage/etc of the device is the real limit. That is correct, and thats why the 10/100 ports on the Linksys (and many others) cant handle much more than 15Mbps.
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| said by wifi4milez:said by Aidens Daddy:That limit is based on the bus that the network interface is connected to. The actually bus/chipset/processor/storage/etc of the device is the real limit. That is correct, and thats why the 10/100 ports on the Linksys (and many others) cant handle much more than 15Mbps. Don't take this the wrong way, but this is typical of computers circa 2003ish.. yes, many of us still have 6 year old computers, but anything designed with a 2006+ motherboard with onboard 10/100 or 10/100/1000 (gigabit) ports should pull closer to 100megabits. Pci Bus 2.0+ or PCi Express 1.0 should give you the full 100 throughput less minor overhead. Even on my old 2003 desktop with onboard lan, I'm pulling 40-85mbits depending upon compression ratios of the data I'm transferring computer to computer via lan file sharing between computers). The internet is quite different, although you see "speed tests" and "downloads" which take into account your not on a lan so speeds won't necessarily be consistent.. Speed tests such as speakeasy.net screw up some days and show less speed than is your real throughput.
Internet user experience is a subjective thing.. if someone is satisfied with a 5/512 connection vs a 20/5 connection on two competitive technologies at similar price... whatever floats your boat.. but an educated consumer should be able to tell the difference in real world usage if the product is more valuable to their overall experience. Many would disagree the the cable product is as good or better, especially during prime time (3-9pm weekdays) on a cablemodem service compared with a fttp network such as FIOS. The jury is just being paneled for Docsis 3.0 product lineup. This is based upon 2.0 vs fttp |
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New York, NY | said by tmc8080:Don't take this the wrong way, but this is typical of computers circa 2003ish.. yes, many of us still have 6 year old computers, but anything designed with a 2006+ motherboard with onboard 10/100 or 10/100/1000 (gigabit) ports should pull closer to 100megabits. We are talking about two different things. I am talking about port speed on routers, NOT individual PC's. This is the very reason Verizon choose the Actiontec router; because it could handle the throughput.
said by tmc8080:Internet user experience is a subjective thing.. if someone is satisfied with a 5/512 connection vs a 20/5 connection on two competitive technologies at similar price... whatever floats your boat.. but an educated consumer should be able to tell the difference in real world usage if the product is more valuable to their overall experience. Thats just my point. The one example of a user experience I gave was the PS3. My other examples were more general, that the overall experience isnt much different on a 5Mbps connection as compared to a 20Mbps connection. I dont download large files (rarely), and I dont torrent. As such, there is virtually no discernible difference between what I had (TWC) and what I have (FIOS). However, as you said its a subjective thing. You might do a lot of pirating or downloading (and uploading) of large files. In that situation, you (collectively) would probably prefer FIOS.
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| I don't even really think this guy has FIOS, Just hating on it. If you can't notice a differnece from a 5/512k to a 20/5 connection something is seriously wrong with you. I had OOL boost wich was a 30/5 connection. I now have a 35/20 connection and notice a difference in Latency and connection stability. And as far as PS goes the PSN is a POS as it is so I'am not surprised you see no speed difference. I believe they cap all connections @ 1MB per second. But I did notice the ps3 logs onto the PSN alot faster than before. I mean I can't make you like something but I have yet to hear people complain about the PQ on the 7216. I have that box and have superb PQ SD or HD, Maybe you just have a bad box . Try to get them to send you out a new one. |
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New York, NY | said by Theman2006:I don't even really think this guy has FIOS, Just hating on it. If you can't notice a differnece from a 5/512k to a 20/5 connection something is seriously wrong with you. I had OOL boost wich was a 30/5 connection. I now have a 35/20 connection and notice a difference in Latency and connection stability. I think you are confusing yourself. I said I didnt see any difference between the speed of my TWC connection and my FIOS connection. You are now talking about latency and connection stability, which are two very quantifiable things. The latency and connection reliability of my TWC connection was comparable to my FIOS connection, so thats not a factor here.
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said by wifi4milez:said by way2evil:Once again please teach me how a 100mbit port differs from a gigabit port when you can only max out at 20mbits (not transferring within your LAN). I just explained it to you. Almost every soho router has 10/100 ports on it, however much of the hardware cant handle anywhere near that throughput. Dont take my word for it, do some research right here on this site. An example would be that even with 3rd party firmware, a Linksys router falls far short of being able to reach its 100Mbps port speed. said by bobTeatow (writing the DSLR Verizon Online FIOS FAQ) :
Some routers may not be able to support FiOS' higher speeds. For example, some users have discovered a 16-17 Mbps limit with the Linksys WRT54G using third party firmware. The rest of the FAQ is available here » Verizon Online FiOS FAQ » What are the tradeoffs between the various router configurationsMake sense? Heh, i tried to keep my mouth shut, but I HAVE to speak up. I have 20/20 service via Verizon FIOS. I get both 20 up and 20 down, no issues. I have an onboard NIC, 10/100 variety. In addition, my wife's PC has a Gigabit onboard nic, absolutely NO issues. We use the built in actiontec router, and yes I DO use torrents, I am an internet power user, i kick the shit out of my connection. My connection has not dropped ONE SINGLE TIME since i got the connection in place. The only time I have ever been offline is when plugging the router into a UPS. I keep an SSH connection open for days to a dedicated server living in my closet and never have issues.
So when you say FIOS is 'nothing special' I say you are full of shit. This is the way internet SHOULD be for everyone.
Disclaimer: I do not work for, nor am I affiliated with, Verizon, Verizon Wireless, or any other Verizon owned/operated company. |
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New York, NY | said by Eek2121:Heh, i tried to keep my mouth shut, but I HAVE to speak up. I have 20/20 service via Verizon FIOS. I get both 20 up and 20 down, no issues. I have an onboard NIC, 10/100 variety. In addition, my wife's PC has a Gigabit onboard nic, absolutely NO issues. We use the built in actiontec router You need to go back and reread my post, since you obviously didnt get it. I said (and the DSLR FIOS FAQ clearly points out) that most consumer routers cant handle the bandwidth FIOS provides. I then went on to point out that the reason Verizon uses the Actiontec device is because it can.
said by Eek2121:yes I DO use torrents, I am an internet power user, i kick the shit out of my connection. My connection has not dropped ONE SINGLE TIME since i got the connection in place. The only time I have ever been offline is when plugging the router into a UPS. I keep an SSH connection open for days to a dedicated server living in my closet and never have issues. Thats great, and thats why everyone has a different experience. I should also point out that running a server on your connection is a violation of the TOS, but thats neither here nor there. Assuming you dont run a server, and dont torrent, the average person wont notice any difference.
Regarding your comments about line quality, that was not something I ever questioned. I never said I had any problems (technically) with FIOS, the service has worked great for 7 months.
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New York, NY | reply to Theman2006
said by Theman2006:I have yet to hear people complain about the PQ on the 7216. I have that box and have superb PQ SD or HD, Maybe you just have a bad box . Try to get them to send you out a new one. I am very surprised by that, the SD quality (with FIOS in general) has been a HUGE topic here at DSLR. If you have the time, below is a 43 page thread dedicated to the topic.
»1.6.2 Upgrade Thread
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said by wifi4milez:said by Eek2121:Heh, i tried to keep my mouth shut, but I HAVE to speak up. I have 20/20 service via Verizon FIOS. I get both 20 up and 20 down, no issues. I have an onboard NIC, 10/100 variety. In addition, my wife's PC has a Gigabit onboard nic, absolutely NO issues. We use the built in actiontec router You need to go back and reread my post, since you obviously didnt get it. I said (and the DSLR FIOS FAQ clearly points out) that most consumer routers cant handle the bandwidth FIOS provides. I then went on to point out that the reason Verizon uses the Actiontec device is because it can.said by Eek2121:yes I DO use torrents, I am an internet power user, i kick the shit out of my connection. My connection has not dropped ONE SINGLE TIME since i got the connection in place. The only time I have ever been offline is when plugging the router into a UPS. I keep an SSH connection open for days to a dedicated server living in my closet and never have issues. Thats great, and thats why everyone has a different experience. I should also point out that running a server on your connection is a violation of the TOS, but thats neither here nor there. Assuming you dont run a server, and dont torrent, the average person wont notice any difference. Regarding your comments about line quality, that was not something I ever questioned. I never said I had any problems (technically) with FIOS, the service has worked great for 7 months. Unless you are buying your router at a toystore there is no reason why it shouldnt be able to handle FiOS. |
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New York, NY | said by way2evil:said by wifi4milez:said by Eek2121:Heh, i tried to keep my mouth shut, but I HAVE to speak up. I have 20/20 service via Verizon FIOS. I get both 20 up and 20 down, no issues. I have an onboard NIC, 10/100 variety. In addition, my wife's PC has a Gigabit onboard nic, absolutely NO issues. We use the built in actiontec router You need to go back and reread my post, since you obviously didnt get it. I said (and the DSLR FIOS FAQ clearly points out) that most consumer routers cant handle the bandwidth FIOS provides. I then went on to point out that the reason Verizon uses the Actiontec device is because it can.said by Eek2121:yes I DO use torrents, I am an internet power user, i kick the shit out of my connection. My connection has not dropped ONE SINGLE TIME since i got the connection in place. The only time I have ever been offline is when plugging the router into a UPS. I keep an SSH connection open for days to a dedicated server living in my closet and never have issues. Thats great, and thats why everyone has a different experience. I should also point out that running a server on your connection is a violation of the TOS, but thats neither here nor there. Assuming you dont run a server, and dont torrent, the average person wont notice any difference. Regarding your comments about line quality, that was not something I ever questioned. I never said I had any problems (technically) with FIOS, the service has worked great for 7 months. Unless you are buying your router at a toystore there is no reason why it shouldnt be able to handle FiOS. So are you saying Linksys routers are only available in toystores then?
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My connection has not dropped ONE SINGLE TIME since i got the connection in place.
so what? i've been dl'ing / ul'ing torrents non stop on a private site for like 40 days now thru my cv connection. mine hasn't dropped either. |
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