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drew
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Re: Automate the "USE HTML" codes with buttons and hyperlink.

Except this isn't a mathematic forum, right?

nwrickert
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said by drew:

Except this isn't a mathematic forum, right?
That's not relevant to my reasons for answering Johnny34 See Profile as I did.

As for the main thread issue, I expressed my neutrality early in the thread.

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said by fonzbear2000:

I'm just curious. If more people sign that object, is there a pretty good possibility that the change will be made?
Not necessarily. Check out this thread »[request] Pet Forum (revisited)

Johnny34
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said by nwrickert:

said by Johnny34:

Manual entry of formatting codes for text disappeared in 1984
Absurd nonsense.
Look - up until the Mac, you had two modes in a word processor: you had to go into edit mode to apply any commands, because in entry mode all keystrokes must be taken as text. Commands were single character keystrokes, so to be able to use them you had to switch to edit mode.

The beauty of WYSIWYG was that it was modeless - you could enter text and edit it in the same mode. And you never saw or entered a formatting code. If you did enter a formatting code, it took it as text, which was exactly what you wanted for instruction manuals and so forth.

25 years later and with "TEH WEB", we are back to WordStar. It's the single most antiquated aspect of hypertext.

As I said, I long ago made my own macros for style and quote blocks. How anyone can day after day type bquote over and over is beyond me.

But then there are also people who have 30,000 posts and don't bookmark the site, typing in "w-w-w-dot-d-s-l-r-e-p-o-r-t-s-dot-c-o-m over and over again thousands of times, log in and out every time, and don't use password macros or allow any cookies either.

dvd536
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said by nwrickert:

Yes, I agree.

Coding the occasional url, or bold or italic link isn't particularly difficult.
neither is typing a : next to a ) yet those get an autofill!

nwrickert
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The beauty of WYSIWYG was that it was ...
The nice thing about recent Macs, is that they have unix under the hood. So the editor "vi" is probably there, and people who know how to edit won't have to put up with that worthless WYSIWYG crap.

Johnny34
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Is this where I say eMacs is better? Bwahahaha

nwrickert
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Your mistake was to assume that WYSIWYG is better.

Different people have different needs and different preferences. While WYSIWYG might be more appropriate for some uses, it can be a serious problem for others.

I welcome the diversity.

Johnny34
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Well yeah, but this whole thread is about there not being any diversity. Everyone has to type codes, or make their own macros to do it, or use FF which I don't want to do as Safari is native and not a kludged-up Carbon port of a Windows app like FF is.

I used command-line editing from 1965 to 1984. Never looked back.

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First off, you're making me agree w/ Johnny34 See Profile is....well, just reprehensible and enough to make my eye twitch!

Secondly, while you may be correct that WYSIWYG may not be appropriate for all scenarios, I would venture to say that in most general population forums, such as the majority on this board, it would be considered the expected...if not preferred method.

I still think this is more of a grumpy old man issue more than it is anything else. There is no reason that ppl should be opposed to having icons that allow for easier manipulation of text. Hell, it doesn't change their experience one bit, as I am sure they could still enter their coding, if it made their little hard go pitter pat. It doesn't make you hard core or give you e-peen points because you enter your html tags.

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said by Koil:

There is no reason that ppl should be opposed to having icons that allow for easier manipulation of text.
Sure there is. Making text manipulation easier leads to more manipulated text. Some people, myself included, don't enjoy reading that as much.

drew
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We've had several posters used bold and OTHER such manipulated text for years, no matter how malformed it is.

Providing easier access to this isn't necessarily a bad thing IMO.

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exactly you can make that happen now. It isn't
stopping any
thing by •limiting it to tags, I don't think.

drew
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What I do see far too often is people who DON'T know how to use the quote tags and do things like:
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"exactly you can make that happen now. It isn't
stopping any"

yeah I agree with this.

"ing it to tags, I don't think."

No, you're wrong.
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Talk about the epitome of hard to follow...

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said by drew:

What I do see far too often is people who DON'T know how to use the quote tags and do things like:
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"exactly you can make that happen now. It isn't
stopping any"

yeah I agree with this.

"ing it to tags, I don't think."

No, you're wrong.
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i have no idea what you're talking about
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Talk about the epitome of hard to follow...

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First off, you're making me agree w/ Johnny34 See Profile is....
This side issue started because I dared point out that Johnny34 See Profile was wrong in saying "Manual entry of formatting codes for text disappeared in 1984." No, it did not disappear in 1984, and it still has not disappeared. So I sure hope that you are not agreeing with a patently false assertion.

I am not trying to dictate to anybody how they should do their editing. I have been clear that I am neutral in the current issue. I did point out that manual adding of html codes is pretty simple, so the issue is not as overwhelming as some of its proponents seem to argue.

The current issue is going to be decided by dslr management. My best guess is that they like things the way they are, and won't change this. But who knows - I have been wrong in the past and I could be wrong in that guess. Either way, I expect we will all somehow manage to muddle through.

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I don't want colored text, blinking text, or changing font size. I agree people do abuse those.

All I have always suggested is a way to auto-quote. I can't see how that could be any worse than the horrendous incorrect manual quote tags people are always typing in.

Auto-bold and auto-italic could help too - people are always leaving malformed tags all over their posts.

But I don't need it - I have my own that I have used for the duration. Select text, control-B, it's bold. No fuss, no muss.

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It has it's uses.
Users new to html or bbcode would benefit for easier expressions.
Sometimes, and I agree, when used correctly, bold, italics, strike has its place and those who do not know how would have to search here for all the examples. There are some in the faq and some at right of reply, but I remember when I didn't know how to format it correctly, it took time firgureing it out then to come back and finish the post/reply threw me off.

The forums I have seen where it made it easier by what the op is asking for does make sense.

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BBCode works well I'm glad you linked to it.
I'm one of those people that types the codes in and I like this idea although BBCode is a definite improvement.

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mod_wastrel See Profile should actually get the credit, but you're right...it does work very well.

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For those who prefer a toolbar, I came across this at AMO:

Text Formating Toolbar (yeah, spelled wrong there)
»addons.mozilla.org/en-US ··· don/4763

Dev support (spelled correctly here) at »codefisher.org/format_toolbar/

I tried it out--works fine as far as it goes (BBR being something of a mix between HTML, BBCODE, and whatever else). About the only formatting I use 99% of the time involves bold, underline, and italic; I modified it to use 'strike' for 'strike' instead of using 's' but other than that it seems good to go for putting a few buttons out there ready to click. It might be more useful at other forums.
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BBCode works but it is limited to Fx. What if I am using Opera? Or SeaMonkey? Not all extensions are ported to SM (I don't know about this one).

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said by Mele20:

Not all extensions are ported to SM (I don't know about this one).
As far as I can tell, it's not. But, if you want to use an Fx-only extension, then you'll have to use Fx. I use Firefox Portable myself and have "site specific" & "site focused" installs, though BBR isn't one of them. They're more like Prism [which I don't use--just threw that in there to use the toolbar actually (:D)] in that way, but with more capability if and when you need it. Nevertheless it's good for the one-off approach if you just want to play with specific stuff, like a toolbar you can't use in another browser. It's pretty easy to make Firefox Portable look & feel like a typical desktop app.
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I just installed it on SeaMonkey 2.0beta1. It works fine. I had forgotten it was from MR Tech. His stuff is great and I already had MR Tech Toolkit on SeaMonkey so I figured it would work. Actually, with the help of MR Tech, most extensions for Fx will install on SeaMonkey 2 because it has an AddOns Manager and the goal is to have most extensions be able to be used on SeaMonkey. (Now if something other than the default theme worked on ver 2 that would sure be nice).

But this solution doesn't work for Opera or IE. So, I still
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I expect many, if not most, Firefox extensions will install in Sm2 (as opposed to any version before Sm2), given that it's not much more than Firefox in a SeaMonkey skin (I exaggerate... a little). I can't say about IE, but I'm pretty sure that Opera could already have a script or add-on or whatever that does something similar. I only say that because waiting for a site, including this one, to implement useful features is just that--waiting... and why wait when you can provide for yourself.

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said by Johnny34:

I don't want colored text, blinking text, or changing font size. I agree people do abuse those.
So disable it in the watercooler[where abuse is most likely to happen] but let it be used elsewhere.

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Re: Automate the "USE HTML" codes with buttons and hyperlink.



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