 jmn1207Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA | reply to MTBikerChris
Re: Anti CC fans ? Why even have throttling and caps? If the caps are a necessity to protect the infrastructure, and not just about conditioning and "educating" consumers into a future money grab by the ISP's, it seems that effective throttling should be able to take care of the looming exaflood. |
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 GbcueAlmost P.E.Premium
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Santa Rosa, CA
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| said by jmn1207:Why even have throttling and caps? If the caps are a necessity to protect the infrastructure, and not just about conditioning and "educating" consumers into a future money grab by the ISP's, it seems that effective throttling should be able to take care of the looming exaflood. Why not just have enough capacity for everybody to do whatever they want?
You don't see "caps" on the highway systems.... Speed limits, that's good. A cap on how far you can drive in a month? Bad.
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said by Gbcue:said by jmn1207:Why even have throttling and caps? If the caps are a necessity to protect the infrastructure, and not just about conditioning and "educating" consumers into a future money grab by the ISP's, it seems that effective throttling should be able to take care of the looming exaflood. Why not just have enough capacity for everybody to do whatever they want? You don't see "caps" on the highway systems.... Speed limits, that's good. A cap on how far you can drive in a month? Bad. You already pay per mile. It's called gasoline. |
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said by SLD:Have you driven on the 405 at 4 pm? At any time of the day?!? That's like the bits colliding and slowing down...
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GbcueAlmost P.E.Premium
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said by fifty nine:said by Gbcue:said by jmn1207:Why even have throttling and caps? If the caps are a necessity to protect the infrastructure, and not just about conditioning and "educating" consumers into a future money grab by the ISP's, it seems that effective throttling should be able to take care of the looming exaflood. Why not just have enough capacity for everybody to do whatever they want? You don't see "caps" on the highway systems.... Speed limits, that's good. A cap on how far you can drive in a month? Bad. You already pay per mile. It's called gasoline. That's like the electricity you'd use to power your modem/router.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
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said by Gbcue:You don't see "caps" on the highway systems.... Speed limits, that's good. A cap on how far you can drive in a month? Bad. Be careful. Highways are metered in the sense that you purchase gas, which is taxed to sustain the roads. Do you want metered usage instead of caps? |
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GbcueAlmost P.E.Premium
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| said by openbox9:said by Gbcue:You don't see "caps" on the highway systems.... Speed limits, that's good. A cap on how far you can drive in a month? Bad. Be careful. Highways are metered in the sense that you purchase gas, which is taxed to sustain the roads. Do you want metered usage instead of caps? Since when was broadband free? I considered paying my monthly rate part of the tax to sustain the network, but we all know most of that money goes straight into the investors' pockets and none actually go towards infrastructure upgrades.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
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Paying your electric bill supports the electric grid, not the ISP's network infrastructure. Gasoline taxes support the roadway system. Metering your internet connection and billing-by-the-byte, would be the equivalent. |
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said by Gbcue:That's like the electricity you'd use to power your modem/router. Nope not really.
In the cost for a gallon of gas you have the cost of the crude, refining, transport etc plus various assorted taxes.
The gasoline taxes fund road maintenance, so indeed you are paying per mile. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | reply to Gbcue
said by Gbcue:Since when was broadband free? I considered paying my monthly rate part of the tax to sustain the network The monthly fee you pay for Internet service is equivalent to the annual road-use tax that you pay. It gets you on the road, but doesn't get you anywhere. Taxing gasoline to generate revenue for road repair and expansion is a more effective means to sustain the roadway system based on actual usage.said by Gbcue:but we all know most of that money goes straight into the investors' pockets and none actually go towards infrastructure upgrades. Actually, that's not true. Look at various ISPs' financial statements. |
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GbcueAlmost P.E.Premium
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| said by openbox9:Actually, that's not true. Look at various ISPs' financial statements. You mean the $$$$$ profits?
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said by Gbcue:You don't see "caps" on the highway systems.... Speed limits, that's good. A cap on how far you can drive in a month? Bad. Been to London,UK lately?
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | reply to Gbcue
No, I mean your claim that, "none actually go towards infrastructure upgrades." |
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said by Gbcue:Why not just have enough capacity for everybody to do whatever they want? And that would cost everybody HOW MUCH ?
"Yes, we now have UNLIMITED capacity. BTW, your monthly bill is now........UNLIMITED." Same old story - Joe Everyman and his light usage pays for Bandwidth Warriors. Solution ? Pay by the GB ? ?
I was under the impression this article was about THROTTLING HEAVY USERS ON NODES NEAR CAPACITY, not bandwidth caps.
IMO, any user on a shared system that DOESN'T want that to happen (throttling on nodes near capacity) is just plain inconsiderate of their fellow users.
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brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | reply to Gbcue
said by Gbcue:Why not just have enough capacity for everybody to do whatever they want? You don't see "caps" on the highway systems.... Speed limits, that's good. A cap on how far you can drive in a month? Bad. Why not build highways 200 lanes wide? I mean OMG I have to slow down or even stop on the highway! holy crap! |
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join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | reply to Gbcue
said by Gbcue:said by openbox9:Actually, that's not true. Look at various ISPs' financial statements. You mean the $$$$$ profits? C'mon, you're being rather silly here and openbox9  is being very patient.
Fact is, that Comcast has an operational profit somewhere just under 20% of revenue and that figure drops to somewhere under 8% after paying long-term debts. That's not "all" or even "half" of the money you pay.
You should also know that Comcast is one of a handful of successful cable companies -- the others operate at a loss or barely break even.
We could play a long blame game in this paragraph, but no matter how I paint it, we end up here at today.
Cable Internet, particularly as part of a double-play or triple-play package, is an extremely lucrative venture. It would be ridiculously profitable if they could just run today's system and bill for it. But they can't quit paying off old debts, can't quit repairing, can't quit answering customer service or technical support calls, and they can't quit upgrading/splitting. It's still very profitable, but it's no cakewalk.
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said by openbox9:Paying your electric bill supports the electric grid, not the ISP's network infrastructure. Gasoline taxes support the roadway system. Metering your internet connection and billing-by-the-byte, would be the equivalent. The cost of network maintenance and upgrades is paltry compared to initial capex. Highway and electricity analogies don't belong in a discussion about bandwidth limitations. |
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GbcueAlmost P.E.Premium
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said by openbox9:No, I mean your claim that, "none actually go towards infrastructure upgrades." Well if they actually upgrade their infrastructure, what's with all the talk about caps, metering, sandvine, DPI, etc.?
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said by brad:said by Gbcue:Why not just have enough capacity for everybody to do whatever they want? You don't see "caps" on the highway systems.... Speed limits, that's good. A cap on how far you can drive in a month? Bad. Why not build highways 200 lanes wide? I mean OMG I have to slow down or even stop on the highway! holy crap! It should be.
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