Topic '[ PVP] 3.2 DK PvP D/W Spec...' in forum 'World of Warcraft' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22837478 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:09:06 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:09:06 EDT Re: [ PVP] 3.2 DK PvP D/W Spec... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22887480 said by MrAwesome:

My PvP frost spec'd DK is amazing compaired to my other classes What weapons(s) are you using? My DK is frost spec for pvp and I'm dual wielding the Argent Tourny badge maces. I find that my damage isn't where it ought to be. I have pretty good survivability but I have no real burst. It's frustrating because when I go against other DKs they seem to throw big numbers at me.
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thanks]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22887160 Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:53:51 EDT Re: [ PVP] 3.2 DK PvP D/W Spec... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22882279 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22882279 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:26:48 EDT Re: [ PVP] 3.2 DK PvP D/W Spec... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22868242
not sure if I was told right, but for dual wielding the hit cap is something like 21% for your offhand wep. like I said, not sure since I've been trying a DW frost build and with just under 17% hit I don't miss, and no I don't gem or enchant hit on my dps gear since most of it has hit on it anyway. if I noticed a bunch of misses on my off hand swings I might switch stuff out but I was at about 3600 dps last night in Ulduar but I was having a problem. it seemed like everytime I would use blood strike or pestilence the blood rune only had a 50-50 chance of becoming a death rune. so I'd do the first line rotation ps-it-bs-bs-ob and when I would go to do my 2nd line of obx3 I could only do 2 since one of the blood runes didn't convert, only a few times did I have both death runes up for a 3rd ob. did Blizz change something and I skipped over the notes?

also, the ob>fs can be a bit misleading since ob uses runes to generate rp while fs is an rp dump. I don't pvp much (why I don't put the point in lichborne as I blood tank) but I would think DC is a better rp dump in pvp.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22868242 Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:08:32 EDT Re: [ PVP] 3.2 DK PvP D/W Spec... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22868063 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22868063 Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:47:42 EDT Re: [ PVP] 3.2 DK PvP D/W Spec... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22866479
If I remember from Frost correctly these are your priorities:

1) Keep diseases up
2) OB > FS
3) Use HB on rime procs
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I finally found my obliterate (hadn't gone to the trainer when i respecced, forgot i had to retrain as well), so should the opener be IT - PS - OB? Is a ghoul even worth having around or is it just much of a hassle to either raise it in the heat of battle or raise it before only to find it timed out and in a pile of ash when you need it?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22864344 Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:34:28 EDT Re: [ PVP] 3.2 DK PvP D/W Spec... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22858934 FS when you have the choice.

Check out skeletonjack.com -- lots of good info there.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22858934 Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:07:02 EDT Re: [ PVP] 3.2 DK PvP D/W Spec... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22857342
So how do you start a pvp fight as a dw dk? What would be a standard pvp rotation? I know you've got to remain flexible and be ready to change things up at a moments notice (unlike pve), but there should be a standard set of opening moves for a clothie or a plate wearer (platie?). Last night I would use IT - PS - Howling - FS til dead (usually me, but sometimes them).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22857342 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:26:15 EDT Re: [ PVP] 3.2 DK PvP D/W Spec... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22854661
/cast Death Coil
/cast !Runic Strike

Whenever Runic Strike is proc'd by a dodge or parry it will cast that AND a DC. If RP is available for only one, it will cast the RS, I believe.
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Source: Lt. Col. Jean V. Dubois (Ret.), Starship Troopers]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22854661 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:15:51 EDT Re: [ PVP] 3.2 DK PvP D/W Spec... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22854556 said by Mahmoud2 :

said by Alexoi:

Exactly. I have a macro for that.

#showtooltip Lichborne
/cast !Lichborne;
/cast [target=player] Death Coil
Is the ! at the beginning of Lichbourne a typo or does that do something for the macro?
The ! is actually for abilities that toggle on/off... A good example would be Blood/Unholy/Frost presence... you can toggle those on or off.

You would use the ! in a situation where; if an ability is already toggled ON, and you don't want it to toggle OFF. I think the most practical example would be for a Hunter..

/cast !Aspect of the Dragonhawk
/cast Hunter's Mark

In this case, if AoD is already toggled on, the ! will prevent it from being toggled off and Hunter's Mark will get be cast.

So, in the Lichborne example above, the ! actually does nothing sice Lichborne isn't an ability that toggles on/off.

All that being said... I think ! was changed a few patches back.. Before, if an ability was on CD, the ! would skip whatever you were trying to cast and just go to the next line, and in that case, the !Lichborne would be correct since Lichborne would be "skipped" if it were on CD and Death Coil would be cast. I don't think this is the case anymore though.

IMO, Blizz stripped the "skip abilities on CD" usability of ! in order to prevent people from setting up one giant spammable macro that will handle entire rotations.

All of this is based on my limited experiance using macros as I have not actually looked at LUA documentation. To anyone "in the know" please correct me where I am wrong (and provide LUA documentation if possible) as I would like to know myself. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22854556 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:11:18 EDT Re: [ PVP] 3.2 DK PvP D/W Spec... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22854272
»www.skeletonjack.com/category/specs/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22854272 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:55:50 EDT Re: [ PVP] 3.2 DK PvP D/W Spec... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22848992 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22848992 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:01:00 EDT Re: [ PVP] 3.2 DK PvP D/W Spec... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22845932 said by Alexoi:

Exactly. I have a macro for that.

#showtooltip Lichborne
/cast !Lichborne;
/cast [target=player] Death Coil
Is the ! at the beginning of Lichbourne a typo or does that do something for the macro?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22845932 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:42:29 EDT Re: [ PVP] 3.2 DK PvP D/W Spec... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22845891 said by Alexoi:

You need to get your hit cap to 9% and ArP gears and magic number for ArP is 98 or something. I forgot.
If you didn't meet the above reqirement, you will be ok for clothies but you will not able to kill plate wearer fast enough.

DW PvE spec

'»www.wowhead.com/?talent#jZG0exAb···AofM0hxc'
Unless something changed with the patch that I'm not aware of, isn't the pvp hit cap 5%? Pve is 9%, I believe. Since the thread is about pvp, I think you may have misplaced your pve build and advice unless there are special "plate wearer avoidance" rules that apply only to DKs. Honestly, I have very little experience with DKs, so if there are special rules that apply, I would be unaware. But if there were, I'd think DKs would be complaining about it in the pvp forums and I'm not seeing those posts. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22845891 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:32:16 EDT Re: [ PVP] 3.2 DK PvP D/W Spec... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22845222
I still reserve the right to sneak into WG and sap them mercilessly, however.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22845222 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:26:54 EDT Re: [ PVP] 3.2 DK PvP D/W Spec... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22845140 said by awesome:

said by bTU:

how often do you use death coil to heal your 1 minute ghoul?
You heal yourself with Lichborne.
Exactly. I have a macro for that.

#showtooltip Lichborne
/cast !Lichborne;
/cast [target=player] Death Coil]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22845140 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:14:40 EDT Re: [ PVP] 3.2 DK PvP D/W Spec... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22845116 said by awesome:

Yeah but how does it perform?
You need to get your hit cap to 9% and ArP gears and magic number for ArP is 98 or something. I forgot.
OB is now hit harder in 3.2 patch. That's why the Unholy spec most people don't put a point in Scourge Strike. They use OB instead.

If you didn't meet the above reqirement, you will be ok for clothies but you will not able to kill plate wearer fast enough.

DW PvE spec

'»www.wowhead.com/?talent#jZG0exAb···AofM0hxc'

With the Icy Talons and Improved Icy Talons, the killing machine proc so often that it is not even funny. You will be surprise that you get crit on frost strike a lot.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22845116 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:12:15 EDT Re: [ PVP] 3.2 DK PvP D/W Spec... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22844743 said by bTU:

how often do you use death coil to heal your 1 minute ghoul?
You heal yourself with Lichborne.
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Here is the PvP DW spec (0/53/18):

»www.wowhead.com/?talent#jZG0exAb···AofM0hxc

Since the build has Epidemic which increase the duration of Frost fever by 6 sec, you don't need glyph of howling blast to reapply frost fever.

Use blood presence and a slow-slow 1h weapon. The easily and cheapest way to start is to get 50 Argent Tournament Champion's Seals to get two 1h epic mace - Grimhorn_Crusher. Put Fallen Crusader on Main hand and Razorice on off hand. If you couldn't get the wowhead from work, here is the spec summary:

Blood (0 points)
None

Frost (53 points)
Improved Icy Touch - Rank 3/3
Your Icy Touch does an additional 15% damage and your Frost Fever reduces melee and ranged attack speed by an additional 6%.

Runic Power Mastery - Rank 2/2
Increases your maximum Runic Power by 30.

Black Ice - Rank 5/5
Increases your Frost and Shadow damage by 10%.

Nerves of Cold Steel - Rank 3/3
Increases your chance to hit with one-handed melee weapons by 3% and increases the damage done by your offhand weapon by 15%.

Lichborne - Rank 1/1
Draw upon unholy energy to become undead for 10 sec. While undead, you are immune to Charm, Fear and Sleep effects.

Annihilation - Rank 3/3
Increases the critical strike chance of your melee special abilities by 3%. In addition, there is a 100% chance that your Obliterate will do its damage without consuming diseases.

Killing Machine - Rank 5/5
Your melee attacks have a chance to make your next Icy Touch, Howling Blast or Frost Strike a critical strike. Effect occurs more often than Killing Machine (Rank 4).

Chill of the Grave - Rank 2/2
Your Chains of Ice, Howling Blast, Icy Touch and Obliterate generate 5 additional runic power.

Endless Winter - Rank 2/2
Your Chains of Ice has a 100% chance to cause Frost Fever and the cost of your Mind Freeze is reduced to no runic power.

Glacier Rot - Rank 3/3
Diseased enemies take 20% more damage from your Icy Touch, Howling Blast and Frost Strike.

Deathchill - Rank 1/1
When activated, makes your next Icy Touch, Howling Blast, Frost Strike or Obliterate a critical hit if used within 30 sec.

Merciless Combat - Rank 2/2
Your Icy Touch, Howling Blast, Obliterate and Frost Strike do an additional 12% damage when striking targets with less than 35% health.

Rime - Rank 3/3
Increases the critical strike chance of your Icy Touch and Obliterate by 15% and casting Obliterate has a 15% chance to reset the cooldown on Howling Blast and cause your next Howling Blast to consume no runes.

Hungering Cold - Rank 1/1
Purges the earth around the Death Knight of all heat. Enemies within 10 yards are trapped in ice, preventing them from performing any action for 10 sec and infecting them with Frost Fever. Enemies are considered Frozen, but any damage other than diseases will break the ice.

Threat of Thassarian - Rank 3/3
When dual-wielding, your Death Strikes, Obliterates, Plague Strikes, Blood Strikes and Frost Strikes have a 100% chance to also deal damage with your off-hand weapon.

Blood of the North - Rank 3/3
Increases Blood Strike and Frost Strike damage by 10%. In addition, whenever you hit with Blood Strike or Pestilence there is a 100% chance that the Blood Rune will become a Death Rune when it activates. Death Runes count as a Blood, Frost or Unholy Rune.

Unbreakable Armor - Rank 1/1
Reinforces your armor with a thick coat of ice, reducing damage from all attacks by [5 * AR * 0.01] and increasing your Strength by 25% for 20 sec. The amount of damage reduced increases as your armor increases.

Frost Strike - Rank 1/1
Instantly strike the enemy, causing 55% weapon damage plus 137.5 as Frost damage.

Guile of Gorefiend - Rank 3/3
Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Blood Strike, Frost Strike, Howling Blast and Obliterate abilities by 45%, and increases the duration of your Icebound Fortitude by 6 secs.

Tundra Stalker - Rank 5/5
Your spells and abilities deal 15% more damage to targets infected with Frost Fever. Also increases your expertise by 5.

Howling Blast - Rank 1/1
Blast the target with a frigid wind dealing 518 to 562 Frost damage to all enemies within 10 yards.

Unholy (18 points)

Vicious Strikes - Rank 2/2
Increases the critical strike chance by 6% and critical strike damage bonus by 30% of your Plague Strike and Scourge Strike.

Virulence - Rank 3/3
Increases your chance to hit with your spells by 3% and reduces the chance that your damage over time diseases can be cured by 30%.

Epidemic - Rank 2/2
Increases the duration of Blood Plague and Frost Fever by 6 sec.

Ravenous Dead - Rank 3/3
Increases your total Strength by 3% and the contribution your Ghouls get from your Strength and Stamina by 60%

Necrosis - Rank 5/5
Your auto attacks deal an additional 20% Shadow damage.

Blood-Caked Blade - Rank 3/3
Your auto attacks have a 30% chance to cause a Blood-Caked Strike, which hits for 25% weapon damage plus 12.5% for each of your diseases on the target.

Glyphs

Glyph of Frost Strike (Major Glyph)
Reduces the cost of your Frost Strike by 8 Runic Power.

Glyph of Obliterate (Major Glyph)
Increases the damage of your Obliterate ability by 20%.

Glyph of Icy Touch (Major Glyph)
Your Icy Touch generates 10 additional runic power.

Glyph of Pestilence (Minor Glyph)
Increases the radius of your Pestilence effect by 5 yards.

Glyph of Raise Dead (Minor Glyph)
Your Raise Dead spell no longer requires a reagent.

Glyph of Death's Embrace (Minor Glyph)
Your Death Coil refunds 20 runic power when used to heal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22844354 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:10:10 EDT Re: [ PVP] 3.2 DK PvP D/W Spec... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22843788
I started PvPing when i first hit 80 with crafted LvL 78 resil gear. So i went frost to decrease the dmg taken since i had horrible gear. I'm still the same spec now with much better gear, and thinking of trying blood pvp for the heals and extra physical dmg...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22843788 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:40:50 EDT Re: [ PVP] 3.2 DK PvP D/W Spec... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22843074
Just kidding.

Seriously though, while I haven't tried DW Frost for pvp, I do know the name of the pvp game is burst. 2-handers = burst. Stick with big slow 2-handers for pvp.
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Like I said, though, my experience is a little limited so the competition may have just been awful.
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So my question is, has anyone tried Frost PvP with PvP gear on? If so, how did you do against other classes?

Share your stories!

Thanks]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/-PVP-32-DK-PvP-DW-Spec-22837478 Sat, 08 Aug 2009 20:36:50 EDT